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How to Detox From Suboxone At Home

george-portraitBy George Catlin, CEO of Withdrawal Ease

It CAN be done.

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To be perfectly honest, I’m shocked at the amount of people who are looking for some solution or way out of their long term Suboxone use. I even went onto Google and looked up the average number of searches for “Suboxone withdrawal” as opposed to “opiate withdrawal” and the numbers are similar. Amazing. Roughly 25% of my customers are people who use Withdrawal Ease to get off of Suboxone.

As opposed to some of my other posts on Suboxone, I’m not going to discuss the injustice or the greed or why I think its over-prescribed. I’ve already said and done that. What I want to hopefully accomplish with this post is to provide a systematic way for people to plan and and conduct a successful detox from long term Suboxone use. Of course, I should note that if you are doing well on the drug and feel no reason to be off of it then by all means, stay on it. I would say the same thing about opiates; if they are working and you are taking as directed for real pain then there’s no reason to stop unless your doctor recommends that you do so. Suboxone is not indicated for pain and is a pretty poor pain reliever but if it works then that’s fine too.

Having said that, there are many of you out there who would literally give their left arm to be off of Suboxone (for me it would be the right arm since I’m left handed and need it more). I feel strongly that if you want to be off of a drug and it’s not serving a vital purpose such as keeping you alive then you should have the right to be off of it. People should be able to make a choice as to whether or not they want to be on Suboxone for a long period of time. If one cannot stop taking a drug due to withdrawal there’s no freedom there. That’s called enslavement.

So the normal disclosures apply to this article that apply to the other content that I write. I’m not a doctor and do not profess to be trained or licensed in any clinical field. I have been on Suboxone and I have spoken to thousands of Suboxone users, clinicians, Suboxone salespeople and just about every other type of person that is somehow affected by Suboxone. The method that I will describe below is directly related to those conversations along with my own personal experience with the drug. It has not been vetted by any clinical trials or endorsed by the AMA. This is just a step by step description of what I would do if I had been on Suboxone for an extended period of time (over 3 months) and wanted to detox from it as comfortably as possible.

Hopefully, some people will find this useful as they try to detox. Of course, I believe that Withdrawal Ease can be one useful tool to help because I’ve seen it work for customers. I’m biased not just because I sell it; I’m biased because what I will describe below is the most successful strategy that I have seen to comfortably detox from Suboxone. Perhaps if we’re all lucky enough, another drug company can come up with a cure for Suboxone detox…ha…hahah. Alas, nothing would surprise me at this point.

Suboxone Detox Introduction

There are a LOT of pet notions and conspiracy theories about Suboxone out there, and the first thing that I want to do is dispel them so that you can calm down and not worry so much. Worry leads to panic, and panic makes detox a LOT worse. Panic can only harm you.

It’s not rotting your brain, causing permanent liver damage, making you impotent, rotting your teeth, or any of the other horror stories that you may read on message boards on the web. I have asked clinicians who have no affiliation with Suboxone whatsoever and they have assured me that there’s no evidence that any permanent damage can be caused. Stay off of the message boards! All you are doing is making your eventual detox worse.  Ultimately, there’s no research out there to indicate that Suboxone will do any permanent damage to you (other than the psychological trauma of trying to actually quit).

There’s a perfectly reasonable explanation why Suboxone is hard to detox from. I’m not going to go into the chemistry or physiology of it because it would be boring and hard to understand. Essentially, Suboxone detox is harder because it takes longer. Period. Does that make it worse? Sure! It sucks! But that’s really the only difference that I can tell having spoken to thousands of people and clinicians about the subject.

So why does it take so long to detox from Suboxone? Well for one thing, Suboxone occupies your opiate receptors quite vigorously and is clinically engineered to remain there in order to block other opiates from having any effect. So Suboxone has a much longer “half life” than other “full agonist” opiates. The “half life” (as you may know) is the time it takes for a drug to reduce its concentration in your bloodstream by 50%. A drug with a longer half life has longer detox periods. That’s why some people detoxing from Suboxone may experience withdrawal symptoms for longer periods of time than withdrawal from Vicodin or Percocet. This is also why people complain so much about Suboxone withdrawal because withdrawal symptoms are ALWAYS uncomfortable. If the withdrawal lasts longer, then the perception that they are worse makes exquisite sense. It’s almost as if the maker of Suboxone wanted to make the perfect drug for withdrawal. Which brings me to the symptoms of Suboxone withdrawal.

Are the symptoms more acute than regular opiate withdrawal symptoms? Well that all goes back to the length of time and perception thing. I don’t see any evidence that would suggest that Suboxone withdrawal symptoms are any more acute (or intense) than other withdrawal symptoms. And remember, I’ve been on both and detoxed off of both. If anything, evidence suggests that the symptoms are milder — not more acute — than full agonist opiate withdrawal symptoms.

Everybody reacts to drug detox differently. Some people have terrible restless legs. Ohers have horrible sweats. And still others have really horrible stomach issues. Suboxone seems to cause all of the common opiate withdrawal symptoms that people experience with Vicodin or other opiates however, some symptoms do seem to rise to the top: depression and insomnia are the two symptoms that I hear most about. For me personally, those are two of the worst ones. Not only are they uncomfortable in their own ways, but they also have the ability to extend the detox period in my opinion. If you aren’t sleeping and you are depressed all of the time, withdrawal can seem to last forever. I’m a BIG believer in the mind’s influence over withdrawal symptoms and Suboxone definitely pushes the right buttons.

The other issue that is often associated with Suboxone detox  called Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome, or PAWS. PAWS is essentially the residual symptoms from the acute phase of withdrawal that can last for a while. PAWS is particularly acute for long-term alcoholics and benzodiazepine users. PAWS usually manifests itself in the form of depression, lethargy, insomnia, short term memory loss and anxiety — just to name a few. It’s also theorized that PAWS can also be exacerbated by periods of stress and strenuous activity such as a busy work schedule. As is the case with the Suboxone acute detox phase, the PAWS from Suboxone withdrawal can last longer than PAWS from opiate withdrawal/detox. The truth of the matter is that PAWS is not fully understood therefore it’s almost impossible to say how long it will last for an individual. For most long term Suboxone users that I have talked to, their PAWS usually lasts a month or two and then begins to taper down. The severity is very subjective and varies from person to person.

Am I still on the introduction? Sheesh. This is going to be longer than I thought. Ultimately, there are chemical and psychological processes at work with Suboxone detox that can prolong the detox period and also create the perception that it is more acute…. but again, you have the right to be off of a drug if you so choose. So calm down, don’t believe the hype and understand that the reality is easy to understand and to explain: Suboxone withdrawal takes longer than other withdrawals…does that make it worse? Perhaps. But it’s not going to turn you into Shrek or anything…when you detox from it, you’ll be fine.

I’m far from being a stooge or apologist for Reckitt Benckiser Pharmaceuticals but it’s important that you, my reader has the facts. It’s important to remain calm, collected and focused on recovery to give yourself the best chance for success. Attitude is everything…as they say. On to the strategy…

Part One: The Suboxone Detox Strategy:

It’s no revelation by any means but the strategy for Suboxone (sometimes I’ll call Suboxone Sub for short..lazy) detox requires determination and discipline. Tapering your meds on a strict schedule over a LONG period of time is not an optional detox strategy here…it IS the strategy. As I discuss in my post called “The Art of Opiate Tapering” , there’s a right way to taper and there’s a wrong way to taper. You MUST taper Suboxone correctly…no questions, no complaints; that’s the way it’s gonna be.  After the taper you have what is commonly referred to as the “Jump” which is the point in time when you stop taking the drug completely. We’ll work on physical and mental strategies to make sure the Jump is not a big occasion to get all worked up about…you’re in control. My goal for this detox method is to get you to a point where you can make this jump safely at any time. That’s the goal.

Another major part of the strategy is finding your “pharmacist”. I’d like to think that everyone can be disciplined enough to manage their own tapering schedule but that doesn’t always happen and you cannot take the risk of messing up your taper with Suboxone. Please consider having someone who you trust that can dole out your meds; there’s too much at stake and you could drag it on forever and not get anywhere. I know that this might be problematic for some people but I believe it’s almost essential because suboxone is addictive and we do what we do. I wouldn’t trust myself either if that’s any consolation. Of course this person doesn’t have to be an actual pharmacist but you need someone who is NOT on drugs themselves (an enabler), is trustworthy and perhaps most importantly someone who cares enough about you that they truly want you to succeed. It could be a friend, a family member, a husband/wife, your doctor or even your real pharmacist (after all, they got you into this mess in the first place…they need to man up and help you get out of it!). A pharmacist who cares would do this…and they would do it with impunity. Sure it will be a pain to get your dose from them every time but it’s really that important that you follow the schedule. I’ll be referring to your “pharmacist” throughout the post but I also understand that some people may either object to or not be able to secure  a “pharmacist”. That’s OK but just remember that what I am trying to do here is give you the best possible chance to comfortably and completely detox from Suboxone.

The other issue that is very important to bring up is that this schedule is an outline for a detox strategy. It is not meant for everyone and obviously not everyone is on the same dose that I use as an example in this guide. Therefore, you will have to use the information below and “make it your own” to the extent that you can. If you feel like you don’t need to take as much time as I recommend or that I am suggesting something that is not applicable to you then feel free to ignore it. I’m just trying to give you the guard-rails for how I might approach the process.

Part Two: Find Your “Pharmacist” and Put Together Your Taper Schedule

As I explained previously, due to the critical nature of the taper schedule that you’ll need to map out, it would be nice to have some help. You’re welcome to try it alone but why leave anything to chance? Heck, -if you have to- tell your friend, “Listen Margaret, I need you to do something for me. If you can help me get off of this medication, I will buy you that Neil Diamond Box Set that you’ve always wanted!”. Maybe a little incentive would grease the skids…so grease the skids. Even if this person can only help you the last couple of weeks, that’s better than nothing.

The job description for your pharmacist is simple: “Give me my medication at exactly the right dose and exactly according to schedule that I give you. Do not deviate from this schedule unless I am clearly in acute withdrawal. “I will give you “rescue doses” for those times that I may need it if withdrawal symptoms become acute”.

So hopefully you can find your pharmacist and they are standing by awaiting instructions. Good.

Now you need to put together a taper schedule. As I mentioned earlier on, this schedule is based on some of the fundamentals of the “Art of Opiate Tapering” but with a couple twists thrown in. The goal is to slowly -very slowly- rid your body of its dependence on Suboxone without suffering from acute withdrawal symptoms. After all, what’s the point in tapering if it’s just going to extend the withdrawal? If you need to, go back and read the guide on tapering to get the fundamentals down.  Ultimately, you will have to put your own schedule together; I cannot do it for you. I can only give you an example of how I might do it based on a certain dose.

So lets make it easy and assume that you have been taking 8mg’s or above for over a year. You are now on 8mg’s a day (morning and night at 4mg each) and want to put together your taper schedule. I will give a detailed schedule for this below. Please bear in mind that this is for reference purposes only and as I mentioned, I’m not a trained physician or licensed addiction counselor. By following this schedule I am making the assumption you are of sound mind and will use common sense if you feel you are in danger or endangering someone else. Suboxone withdrawal is not considered life threatening especially if you taper slowly as we recommend here. Depression is really the most potent threat which is another good reason to have someone whom you trust acting as your sounding board. If you have any issues that you are concerned about always contact a doctor. Just be safe and smart.

Part Three: Getting Started

What You Will Need:

1. Suboxone

2. A calendar or some sort of schedule program on your computer that you can use to map out your dose schedule

3. 2 (two) Empty pill bottles: one marked “Weekly Supply” and the other marked “Rescue Doses”. Both bottle should be strictly in the hands of your “pharmacist” or someplace safe

4. An X-Acto knife or razor blade for cutting/shaving your pills OR strips

5. Withdrawal-Ease Night and Day Time Formulations (Of course this is optional) and the Withdrawal Survival Guide

6. Your “Pharmacist”

Part Four: Sample Suboxone Detox Schedule: From 8mg per Day to Zero in 4-6 Months

The first week of tapering will bring a bit of anxiety because you will be nervous about possible withdrawal symptoms, cravings, pain and all of the other things you worry about when you begin to taper meds. The thing to be cognizant of with suboxone is that the first few milligrams that you taper should have very little effect on you. That is, if done correctly. So as a result, we’re going to taper more aggressively in the beginning of the schedule than we will at the end of the taper process. So make sure that you make the appropriate adjustments in the dosage as you see fit if you are taking more than 8mg’s per day; perhaps your prescribing physician can work with you on a schedule. As I mentioned, this is just an example of one taper schedule. You may have a different dose and schedule so you’ll need to calculate your own dose. One of the main keys to this strategy is to keep the dose consistent at all times except when you taper down to your next dose level. For instance, if you take your medication once a day then keep doing so…and if you are taking it twice a day then you need to keep taking it twice a day until your schedule dictates otherwise. Consistency and the gentle progression of the dose changes are critical and I will emphasize both ad-nauseum.

For the purposes of the demonstration below I’m breaking the doses up into two per day which is common for people taking 8mg Suboxone per day.

Week 1-Week 2: Lower daily dose from 8mg to 7mg (3.5mg per dose) with a total intake of 98 mg’s over the period of 14 days

Notes: Take 7,  8mg pills and “shave off” one milligram as I demonstrate in the pictures below. If you are using strips, that’s even easier to cut into the right sizes (see figure below). Make sure to save the pieces from the pills or strips that you cut off and put them into a separate pill bottle that you have cleaned and saved for this occasion. This extra bottle will hold your “rescue doses”

Cutting the Right Doses

With the Suboxone film, you can use a sharp pair of scissors or even some small manicure scissors. The medication in these pieces of film is evenly distributed throughout so your dose will be directly proportionate to the size. I have attached a great image that I found on the web for reference purposes. You can use this image to estimate how much to cut for your specific dose. I’ve tried my best to make the “Dime” in the picture “actual size” but it could be larger or smaller depending on your screen settings. Nevertheless, a good diagram to use when cutting your films.

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If you are still using the sublingual tablets, I would recommend using a straight razor blade, x-acto knife or something else that’s sharp and thin. Suboxone tablets tend to crumble when you try to cut them so the sharper and thinner the tool the better. Be sure to not cut your fingers off in the process! You’re not going to get it exactly right but as you can see in the pictures below, I’ve shaved off one of the corners which I have estimated to be about 1 mg each. I could be off by a few fractions but you get the point. This Sub “shaving” method will become increasingly more important as we go along…but don’t worry, you’ll get plenty of practice.

Use a straight razor or something similar to “shave” approximately 1 mg. off of an 8mg pill

An 8mg Suboxone pill with approximately 1mg shaved off

**Word to The Wise: Did you know that 8mg Suboxone pills are less expensive by milligram than the 2mg pills? So if you can and depending on your insurance make sure that you are paying the least amount by milligram for your Suboxone…although the 2mg pills may be more convenient, the 8mg pills might save you some money. The film as I understand it is more expensive but the tablets are being “phased out” so most people will start to get the film pretty soon.

2. Now that you have cut the film or shaved off one milligram and stored it away, repeat this for the other 6 pieces of film or pills and you will have your week’s supply set aside for your “pharmacist” which should be placed in another bottle marked for the week or “Week’s Supply”. Cut the remaining pieces of film or break each of the remaining pills in half and take one half, twice a day as usual. This should be 7mg per day total. Do this for 2 weeks.

What can you expect from the first 2 weeks?: Nothing. Other than the systematic approach that you are taking to decrease your intake of Suboxone, you should not feel any strong withdrawal symptoms going from 8mg to 7mg.

Notes: If you don’t have the film, there are tons of different ways to cut up the pills and get to the correct dose. What I am emphasizing here is that shaving off the 1 mg from each pill will allow you to take the same amount each dose. Consistency during this process is important for reasons both physical and psychological.

Week 3 – Week 4: Lower daily dose from 7mg to 6mg (3mg per dose) with a total intake of 84mg over a period of 14 days

1. Divide either your film or tablets into your weekly supply and hand it over to your “pharmacist”. Keep all doses the same and remember to keep any residual pieces or “shavings” and put them into your “Rescue Dose” container.

2. Do the best you can to divide the doses into 2 equal portions for you to take on your schedule. The day time and the night time dose should be equal. I stress this because right now, your body is very in tune with “rewards”. When you receive your dose put the medicine under your tongue you never want to feel as though you’ve been cheated or taking any less than you usually do. The only time you should take a different size dose is when you are stepping down to the next step on your taper. This will help you avoid confusion on your dose and also keep things consistent and calm.

What Can You Expect From Week 3 – Week 4?: Again, probably not much. Perhaps you might have some depression or some days when you are a bit lethargic but acute withdrawal should not be in the cards. This does NOT mean that you are not accomplishing anything however. You are systematically lowering your body’s dependence on Suboxone which adds up to a lot. Most importantly, you’re making progress and by now hopefully you’ll see that it’s not as bad as you may have anticipated.

Week 5 – Week 6: 6mg down to 5mg with a total intake of 70mg’s over a period of 14 days

1. Depending on film or tablet you can divide it up into a variety of ways to get to 5mg’s per dose but the same rule still applies: keep the dose the same at all times except when you step down to the next taper dose. You want 2.5 mg per dose with a total of 5mg for the day.

2. It may get tiresome to cut these things up all of the time but the key is to remain consistent.

What can you expect from Week 5 – Week 6? Most likely more of the same. Again, you may have a few bad days here and there but otherwise this should be an easy step down that all comes down to execution.

Week 7 – Week 8: 5mg down to 4mg with a total intake of 56mg over 14 days

1. The dose should be an easy 2 mg’s per so that’s a good thing. you can cut a 2mg section of film, take one 2mg pill per dose or just split the 8′s in half and then again. I find that using the X-Acto knife or razor blade with the 8mg pills works better because the tablets are not “pre-scored” for dividing. In other words, you’ll get unequal doses if you try and divide them with your fingers.

What Can You Expect?: Well you’ve cut your dose down to half and it may surprise you to discover that you’re not really feeling many withdrawal symptoms. That’s because you’re taaaaaapppppeeeerrrring! Remember that tapering is supposed to slowly wean your body off of a thing it is used to having and also gradually making your “reward” smaller but not really by any noticeable difference eh?

Week 9 – Week 10: 4mg down to 3mg per day (1.5mg per dose) with a total intake of 42mg over a period of 14 days

1. This is when the scissor and/or knife wielding skills that you’ve learned over the past few weeks really come into play. 1.5mg of Suboxone is a small, small amount. You may have trouble consistently getting pieces of this size with the tablets so I recommend crushing each tablet and dividing into equal piles of 1mg each. Ditch the “Weekly Dose Bottle” and take one of those pill boxes that “old people have” which has the days of the week sectioned off and put each dose into the different sections. Now this is the point where you are going to have to be really careful to make sure that your doses are as equal as possible. as you taper down on your Suboxone, your body will become more sensitive to variations in dose which can lead to withdrawal symptoms.

Pill Boxes Like This One Are Perfect For Keeping The Very Small Weekly Doses Organized

2. At this point it’s appropriate to mention that mysterious “rescue dose” that I listed up above. By now, you may have lots of bits and pieces of film or pills in your “rescue dose” container and its time to divide them into .5mg sections. The rescue dose is going to be doled out by your “pharmacist” if you begin to feel some acute withdrawal symptoms. I’m not just talking about a little lethargy which can be normal; I’m talking about being actually sick which should not be so normal if you have tapered correctly. But it can happen and it should be addressed. If you are having any acute symptoms of withdrawal and your “pharmacist” concurs then take one of these rescue doses and wait at least 3 hours to see if the symptoms subside. This could be due to a whole host of reasons but you’re getting down to a low enough dose where slight variations can cause these symptoms. I use the word “rescue” for a reason too; these are not to be taken daily…they are for emergencies. If your rescue dose becomes a regular dose then you need to start your taper from there and make sure that you keep a better handle on how much you take.

What Can You Expect?: You might start to get a bit tired but you really shouldn’t be feeling any acute withdrawal. What you really SHOULD expect is nothing…nothing at all if you have stuck with it this far. If you have some symptoms, and you really need it then take a “rescue dose”.

The Home Stretch: The Crucial Part of The Taper

Week 11: 3mg per day to 2.5 mg per day

Week 12: 2.5 mg per day to 2mg per day

1. Try to keep taking 2 doses per day as usual if you can. Right now is not the point to get cavalier or think that you’ve done it…this is a crucial part of the tapering process that most people get wrong. Most people that I talk to get to about 2mg per day and then stop completely…mistake. You will most likely have acute withdrawal if you quit taking Suboxone on 2mg per day. You need to really concentrate on this part of the process because it’s critical. From here on out; you’re playing for keeps with Suboxone and all of this work will be for nothing if you don’t execute the last part of the taper correctly.

Week 13 – Week 14: 2mg per day to 1.5mg per day (.75mg per dose)

1. By now it’s getting pretty tough to even out those doses if you have the tablets so I would recommend perhaps a rolling pin (for the love of God please wash it after you use it!) and some plastic wrap or a ziplock baggie to hold the pill when you crush it. Normal pill crushers sometimes do a pretty good job but they only do so much and you’re going to need the Suboxone to be a consistent powder.

**Word to The Wise about the 1mg tablet doses: When I got down to very small amounts of powdery substance at this dose, I would divide the 1 mg piles as best as I could into the “pill holder that old people have”, then I would take a straw and carefully suck the proper dose into my mouth. Don’t breathe in too hard or you might inhale it; just put the straw under your tongue (you might also consider cutting the straw to make it shorter) and suck it into the “sublingual” space under your tongue.

Week 15 – Week 16: 1.5mg per day to 1mg per day with a total intake of 14mg’s over 14 days

1. This part of the taper represents the first major shift in the schedule that you’ve had since you started tapering. We will be going from 2 doses a day to one. If you take your dose in the morning and at night then then start taking your 1mg dose in the middle of the day or some other time that you do not associate with taking your meds. It’s important to change your dose to a totally different time than either of your dose periods before. You want to know why? Because your body has become so used to the 2 doses and your mind has been conditioned to get “rewarded” twice a day.  We need to break that habit. By changing your dose time completely, you no longer associate those other times with taking your medicine and perhaps don’t feel “neglected” when you have to give up that one dose. Does this make sense?

2. If you feel any symptoms, use a rescue dose and make sure to give the medicine time to work…I know you may be uncomfortable but that doesn’t mean that you have to stuff your mouth full of pills to feel better. Just take the .5mg and see if it helps…it should.

At This Point If You Have Purchased Withdrawal-Ease, We Recommend That You Begin Taking The Product As Directed. We usually recommend that people begin taking Withdrawal-Ease about a week before totally stopping their Suboxone/Opiates but there may be some withdrawal symptoms at the end of the taper process and Withdrawal-Ease will help with those. Just be your own guide on this and give the product a little time to work before any symptoms manifest themselves.

Week 17: .75mg per day, once a day for a total of 5.25 mg’s over 7 days

Week 18- Week 19: .5mg per day for a total of 7mg over 14 days

Although all of the content above may make this look like a footnote, the last few weeks on the Suboxone taper are the most crucial. This is also the time when your “pharmacist” earns their keep because you may feel a bit fatigued or have some mild withdrawal symptoms but they have to be firm with you. If you have not been able to get someone to help you with the taper process then you’ll need to be extra vigilant and stay on top of your schedule at this point. I cannot stress enough how important this stage of the taper is.

Week 20: .5mg every other day.

Week 21- Week 22: .5mg every 3rd day

Week 23 – Week 24: Take .5 mg once per week with one .5mg “rescue dose” available if symptoms become acute.

Week 25 – : At this point, you’ve made it to what I would define as a “safe” jump off point. Set a jump date and stick to it so that you do not prolong the taper process any further than you might need to. Of course only you can be the ultimate judge for when you might be most comfortable to completely stop. You may have to go through a detox period for a few days and I would recommend to continue to take the Withdrawal-Ease if you have it to help with those. Overall, by doing this taper process, you have gradually let your body acclimatize to the absence of Suboxone in the body. This should significantly reduce the discomfort of your overall detox process and help you quit with as little discomfort as possible.

Nothing’s foolproof but based on everything that I have read about Suboxone -especially the accounts of those who have done it successfully- this is how I would recommend tapering.

What To Expect Going Forward:

Whew! That was a long process eh? Well I wasn’t kidding when I said that it would take a long time but it doesn’t have to take a LOT of your time if you get the point. That’s why its crucial to get your schedule done before you start so it just becomes habit to look at your schedule and adjust your dose accordingly.

I do know how much of an arduous process this is and I feel bad that people have to go through this. I wouldn’t recommend it if I didn’t think it was important. If you discuss this with your doctor and they claim to have a better strategy then by all means, listen to them I suppose. This is just the most effective way that I have seen people detox off of Suboxone. I truly hope that this has helped you and that you can get some freedom.

It’s always important to make sure that you have other parts of your recovery in mind. This is just a detox process and not a life long cure for opiate or Sub addiction. You may need to go to some sort of psychotherapy or group therapy to help with cravings and I wholeheartedly encourage you to do so if any of these programs help. This will be the beginning of your recovery and not the end but hopefully you will have held back a long episode of withdrawal by following this process.

Please send me any comments, concerns, questions or ideas at info@withdrawal-ease.com. I would love to have your feedback and also believe that those of you who go through this process can help me improve it as we move along.

“Semper D’uro” (Latin trans: Stay Hard)

-George

Disclaimer: I am not a licensed physician or addictionologist. The information has been written using knowledge gathered by myself from a variety of sources including but not limited to: Suboxone patients, clinicians who prescribe Suboxone, licensed professionals in addiction treatment and recovery, clinical literature, personal experience and other published information on suboxone and drug cessation. This post is for reference purposes only and should not be considered medical fact or the “standard of clinical care” for Suboxone detox. The makers of Suboxone have not been asked to comment or contribute to this post. The detox methods that I use including “shaving off” or cutting up Suboxone are considered “off-label use” and are not recommended by the makers of Suboxone as far as I know. As I mention in the post, it’s always best to consult your primary or attending clinician before attempting a detox like this and -if possible- get their approval and participation.

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  1. God bless this website….all the information is right on target. Thank you. I think you know the amount of people who’s lives you are saving…..both literally and literally!

    • Thanks for the very kind words John! Ultimately, people who endure detox have to save their own lives…we just try to give them the tools to do it a little bit easier. That’s the hope.

      • shari vall says:

        I don’t have the luxury of the tapering process. i called my doctor to get a refill, and was told that he lost his lisence. No warning or phone call from his office. The closest Dr. around here is an hour and half away and has 6 month waiting list. I am petrified! I have been on suboxone for almost 3 years, and felt blessed to be off all the other meds i was taking for the 20 years before that, and now I am just feeling SCARED! I am beyond let down about how my doctors office dropped the ball, and am feeling more stressed then ever. I ordered your withdrawl ease and hope to recieve in a couple days, and have been very careful taking 40mgs of norco a day for the past 8 days until it gets here. I dont want to rely on them either, i just want to be done with this nightmare and i am praying that i get enough relief from your product to get me through to the end. I can not believe that this doctor can do this to all of us who came to him for help. Tommorrow is day 9, and i know its going to get worse before it gets better, I just hope and pray that i can do this.

        • shari vall says:

          by the way, i have been taking 32mgs a day, and to have to quit cold turkey like this…………………come on! how do these doctors get away with this? well, i guess he isnt, he lost his license, but where does that leave me? SICK, just as sick as i was when i went there for HELP! I have already had other health issues, I am scared that being dismissed like this could really effect my health in a serious way. I need some really good advice

    • hi, I have Been taking suboxine foe 5 years, with a 30 day supply of 8 mgs that would last meapprox 3~4 months, I am not patient with measuring, however, for the last week (monday~ monday) I have about 1 6th of the pill left, can not get to my doctor,he is in another state& only takes cash, & I am broke, in a few ways right now, anyway…I have been wanting since I satarted, to not have to take these, it was given to me to get off perkaset ( makes no sense to begin with) but, my opinion it is a money making bussiness at the cost of people’s spirit) & of course more expensive,therefore, more money for them to make( just my theory) any way I don’t have to tell you I am terrified, what can I do with this? ps. I am greatful for finding this site thank you, Sincerely

  2. I am a 22 year old female that is trying to get off suboxone. I have only been on Sub for 3 months and some odd days and I am still experiencing difficulty getting rid of this medication. At first I thought it was the “Merical Drug” but now that I am realizing my Dr. didn’t do me any kind of a favor! I wasn’t a longterm drug user to begin with. I was on opiates for not even a year. I have been supposed to take 2/8mg tablets a day but because it is so expensive I have had a hard time keeping up with that dose for the past couple of months. So I have been slowly lowering myself. I wish I would have came across your website sooner as tomorrow is my first day with no Sub. I wish everyone out that the best of luck detoxing off Suboxone. It is going to be one of the hardest things you will do and thats coming from a not so longterm user. After all, if it were the “Merical Drug” the withdrawal’s would come as a Merical as well!

    • That’s just what I’m talking about with Sub. Brittany. You were on opiates for ONE year and your doctor could have just let you detox off of them. But no, he decided it would be better for you to be addicted to a more expensive drug that’s also more addictive and has a more problematic detox…bravo!

      So sorry to hear about this Brittany. Keep your chin up; there are many people who contact me and say that their detox symptoms are not so bad if they taper correctly; it sounds like you’ve made a good effort.

  3. so glad I found this,the problem is that I am taking 16 mg. any advice? THANK YOU!!!!

    • Hi Mike. I would follow the same schedule but perhaps make more aggressive jumps in dose in the first part of the taper. Or you could extend it a little longer in order to compensate for the higher daily dose. The 8mg per day is just what I used and the timeline is meant to be just a guideline. If you follow the basic principles, I think you will do just fine. The key is slow, consistent taper on a very strict schedule.

      -George

      • It WORKS!!! I was totally leary that, yes it was a conspirosy because the “so called” Doctors who prescribe this drug never want to discuss coming off of it! I did this exact Detox plan simply by a theory and followed the OBVIOUS! I’m off, in my 3rd day feeling very bad but know it’s at an end soon and obviously nothing like Heroin withdrawal or benzo detox ( I would rather die then do that one again). Perhaps it’s just me, but after enduring true agony (physical and psychological ), to its fullest ( yes my story is long, wide & sad), pain isn’t really that bad. Detoxing isn’t really pain, it’s LOSS. So suck it up and deal with it! If I can do this ANYONE CAN! Thank you for your help. Bless be.

  4. George,

    Thank you for such an insiteful and useful website. For any readers out there, you should not notice withdrawls titrating from 24mg, 16mg, or more down to 8mg. The important part is from 8mg on down. This site is right on the money.

    Thanks again.

  5. I have been on Suboxone 16mgs a day for over 2 years. I cut myself down to 8mgs a day in Nov. I started taking 6 mgs a day 2 weeks ago. My current Doctor wants me to cut 2 mgs a week until I’m off completely. He obviously does not understand how difficult the withdrawals are. Since I have been on this medication way longer then I was supposed to I think he is trying to rush me off of it now. Any advise? I am a mother of 3 small children and am going through hell.

    • Hi Lisa. The post that you have read above is my advice. I’m so sorry that you have to deal with the children as you are going through this. If you ask your doctor to perhaps consider slowing down the tapering process, do you think he will respond favorably? A lot of clinicians are not up to speed on how long it takes to get off of this stuff.

  6. wow, i went through a 5 day “detox” for opiod dependancy about 4 years ago, which was horrible, i had severe withdraw,they gave me subutex, i felt great, came home, was a new woman, yea right, for about 2 days. (i had been addicted to pain killers for about 3 years prior) i have really been a sucker, i had to find a dr. to prescribe suboxne, (which i had never heard of untill detox), and started seeing him almost 4 years ago, i have no insurance, 2 teenage boys and married for 20 years, i had finally maxed out my “rehab” credit card at $16,000.00 dollars, YES 16 THOUSAND, and could not afford to see him this month on time, they wouldnt call me in any to hold me, with no compassion, they said it was because of new laws, they couldnt call in any controlled substance if i wasnt seen in the office first, so here i am, reading this, in shock, i had tried to taper down myself due to this prolonged expense and just knowing this has went on way to long, but this dr. of mine has had me on 8 mg suboxone 3 x a day…..for almost 4 years now..i started taking subutex about a year ago because its a little cheaper, is that really any dfferent? im really scared at this point and im so upset with my dr. for just everything, he never tried to taper me off, i admit im a bit naive, but i honestly had no idea what i was getting myself into, my dr. told me it would have to be on suboxne the same length i was addicted to the pain killers for this to work , well im a year longer on these now although i have been taking only 2 a day for a year on my own accord to make my script last me longer and trying to taper myself, but i had no idea it would be this hard, finding this website has been a real wakeup call, but i see i still have a long road ahead, i guess for the sake of money i will give this so called dr. another 175.00 to get my script rather then finding a new dr. and forking out even more cash that i dont have, and really try to make this work i love your advise, i wish i had seen this much much sooner….thank you, jenni

    • all these stories on this site absolutely amaze me. i agree with some of the people. these doctors they just write scripts and they dont care about the consequences on your part. my doctor has be on 5 different opiates and i am desperately trying to get off of all of them … they hardest is the hydrocodone. i have been looking for the herbs a more natural and smoother way. i guarantee you that i wont allow any doctor to put me on suboxazone. not from what i have read here and from what my pharmaphist has told me. i want off of the hydrocodone myself not because my doctor wants me off. the things you have to go thru just to get off a narcotic that your doctor prescribes you is horrible. i am a recovering drug addict of meth and marijuana which my doctor knows, and for him to put me on a highly abusive drug as hydrocodone, truely amazes me in the sense that my doctor does not care about my health or wellbeing. i am totally stunned by your stories. thanks for sharing and letting me share also. I believe the mind is a powerfull thing and we all can become drug free, someday..

  7. George…..

    I am 65 and have been very successful in spite of life long addictions…I have been addicted to some form of opiates on and off since I was 16 from main lining heroin to amphetamines to cocaine to crack to methadone. I’ve been in detox 7 different times; been in AA and NA many times over many decades when 21/2 years ago I thought I’d found the answer with subutex…NOT….I have tried desperately to ween off this garbage with an idiot Doctor who I think was actually trying to help me but didn’t know what he was talking about…when I told him I had weened down to as little as 1/10th of a milligram 2 times a day and I’m not exaggerating; he merely said some of his other patients also had problems getting off that last little bit…No shit…I have previously gotten to this point weening 6 different times and got as far as going 8 days with nothing however the withdrawal seemed to be getting worse not better….I really thought I was losing my mind in that I could not ever understand how I could reduce this much and go through so much agony…For me it’s not the level of discomfort( I have cold turkeyed literally hundreds of times); it’s the length of the withdrawal that eventually begins to mentally weaken you until you finally give up….I take subutex vs. suboxone because it’s much easier to cut the doses into such small amounts….Your tapering schedule is the first time that I realize I’m not out of my mind and that someone out there really understands…My question is: Considering the very small amounts I am taking (40% of one milligram per day) at what point would you suggest me entering your tapering schedule…I am thinking the week before you suggest reducing your doses per day to one…then reduce to 30% of one milligram once per day…what do you think?…I cannot begin to tell you what a relief your info has been…thank you from the bottom of my heart…I think you helping a great number of people like myself who really want to get off all this stuff but didn’t know how to do it and were doing it all wrong…Richie

  8. I have been taking 16 mg a day of Subutex for 4 years. Both Me
    and my life partner want me to get off..he’s seen me acting like an addict about this medication, which I went on to detox from a Vicodin addiction.

    I definitely got a certain high as soon as I started taking it. I actually felt guilty for a few days thinking, wait, I’m not supposed to be enjoying a euphoria I’m supposed to be detoxing from a secret opiate addiction. I got over that one quickly.

    I’ve gone through periods without insurance, and that made me feel and behave like any other street addict. I did whatever I had to do to get the 600.00 a month it cost to get my “medicine”. Having these meds became my number one priority. What a mess.

    Vicodin detox is a party compared to trying to cold turkey Subutex. I went from 1 mg to nothing on my own, and spent 18 days sick as hell, with very little sleep. Sleep and anxiety were the worst part, and NOTHING I could get my hands on would put me to sleep- truth be told I got my hands on a lot on benzos and NOTHING worked. What did I do? After 18 days clean, I went back to Subutex and actually UPPED my dose, so I’d always have extra.

    Now rehab has become a recurring topic in our home. What an irony, I never could commit to rehab when I was buying my Vicodin over the phone from fake pharmacy’s, but now I am more desperate than I was to get off Vicodin. The Vicodin had stopped working, I couldn’t take more than 10 or 12 a day without getting sick from the acetomenophen, even when I moved onto Lortab, that acetomenophen kept me from being able to get high.

    I am going to try again, with my Fiance as my “Pharmacist” and the herbal supplements suggested here I am going to do it. At the time I found Subutex, it seemed like a miracle to me, if only I had weaned off of it in a month or so instead of staying on for these years. I know the big titration has to be from 1.5 mg to none, that’s where I went wrong last time. Now I understand the really slow pace. My doctor has told me the same information that has been offered here. I am certain it’s true coming from so many different places. I am scared, I am humiliated, but the hell with all of that, I am going to be free for once and forever. I cannot continue to live on this garbage.

    Thank you for offering this place to talk and the very useful detox info. I didn’t know there was another soul out there with my problem. It was one more secret, and I’m sick of having a secret life.

  9. Wow! Jenni’s story is very similar to mine. I’ve been on Suboxone/Subutex for 3 yrs! Only 8 mg/day but I, too encountered the “I’m not calling it in anymore” legislation this month. I am now on day 12 of withdrawal becoz the dr can’t SEE me till 2/1!! Thank u for this website. I has helped not only me but my husband and kids to understand me!!!

  10. George, thank you. I was convinced when my doc put me on suboxone 3 yrs ago for opiate addiction that I wasn’t so sure I needed it, and now that I’m HOOKED on the supposed MIRACLE CURE, and now that I’ve read your site, I’m completely convinced. I’m tapering off Sub (down to .5mg a day) and I hope I can get thru this. Thank you, George… you sound like you really know your stuff. God Bless You for what you’re doing here… you’ve already eased one troubled girl’s mind :)

  11. George, first off thank you for a great thing your doing to help alot of people, and hopefully myself. I was a recreational opiate user that took opiates 4-5 days a week, subs the other couple, eventually to save money i was doing a quarter of a sub,(2mg a day for months, wasnt thinking and tried to quit cold not relizing the heavy withdraw coming my way, ive dosed myself down to the point where im taking maybe .75 mg a day, sumtimes every other, i feel every single side effect that ive seen posted, and i do daily even tho im trying to dose down, should i just plug my tapering down schedule from where it starts at my use around the 17th-18th week and go from there?

  12. Hi George,
    I sent you an email a few weeks ago and haven’t heard back, so thought I’d try your blog. I’ve been following your survival guide for about a month now and am just waiting for my Sub to get down to your recommended dose to start taking Withdrawal-ease. My story is very similar to yours in that I had extensive neck surgeries and am now just as addicted to Sub as I was to Oxy. I had detoxed off Fetynal and went through rehab after my first round of surgeries and was “clean” for two years. Now here I am all over again since having more surgery over a year ago! I elected to go through home detox with Sub (which was several hours of agony and involved a trip an ambulanced trip to the hospital with anxiety in July. It’s been such a bear trying to wean off since then. I found your web site on a desperate search for some kind of help. Thanks so much for what you’re doing to reach out to other “slaves” as you call us. I’ve been off alcohol for 3 years for fear I will self-medicate with it, and am in a 12-step program which has really helped my sanity a great deal! I’ll keep you posted when I start your product in my last few weeks of tapering…wish me luck!
    Your “Buddy in Sobriety,”
    Lauri

  13. Oh, and more more thing, George. I forgot to mention earlier: My doc switched me over to the new Sub “film” so I’ve been cutting each 8mg dose in halves and quarters and storing them in an air-tight pill organizer. I log each dose on a dated calendar to keep track of my tapering. My insurance covers it, but I still have a huge deductible. My doctor gave me a $75 discount card from the Suboxone company for the film which lasts through March 31st. He displayed it in his office and offered to give it to me when I told him what I was having to pay towards my insurance. I really feel for those who don’t have insurance, but they should ask their doctor about the new film and if they have the discount offer cards, most definitely. My pharmacy honored it, even though I have insurance. Good luck to everyone….we’re all in the same boat! I’d love to hear any comments you might like to add on to mine, so feel free.

    • ah yes the new film. I’m worried about the film because I think it’s going to be more addictive. Why? Well for one thing it is supposed to speed up “Absorption” and metabolism of the Sub. To me that means that it will be faster acting and perhaps that much more similar to full-agonist opiates. Oh and the new film is -of course- more expensive than the old pills. I’m wondering when the pills will be “phased out”.

      Also sorry about not getting back to you but yes the email is the best way to contact me. I check these comments perhaps once a week but I’ll try and do it more often.

      Thanks everyone.

      • Hi George, I have been on subs for 3 and 1/2 yrs and it is costing me a fortune. With a poster saying that subtex is cheaper I wanted to know how much cheaper it is and is it any different than suboxone. If so what are the differences between the two. This site has been very insiteful. Thank you,
        KB

        • Hi Karen. Have you tried the generic form of Suboxone yet? It’s still expensive (sort of like saying, “Have you tried a Bentley as opposed to a Rolls Royce?”) but you can save a lot of money by going to generic route. Don’t go to Subutex.

          • Hey George my name is charity Ive been on Subs 8 mg 3 times a day for over a year now and really want off of it Im sooo glad I found this site and I plan to do every step u posted! I really want off this drug and out of the hell it has put me through Ive been on every single drug out there and the subs have been harder to come off of then any of them!! I dont want to have to take this drug anymore it does nothing for me at all it has however caused alot of health problems here lately I just wanna be free of all drugs and im starting the tappering process tomorrow

  14. I have been on sub since April 4 2011. Started at 16 mg a day.For me the thought and price of this med was too much,so I droped to 8mg in 2 months.I cut down 6mg in 8 months.At 2mg,I stared to disolve 3/4th of a 2mg pill,then discarded the undisolved pill.Today I am at 1mg,1/2 of a 2mg.As of now this tappering has been very managable.I just hope the last of it is.All I can just say to new users,stabalize then ruduce.Dont get hooked and good luck.

  15. I wanted to say Thank you. You just helped me save my life. I was ready to just get off subs and jump back to Lortabs. I have been taking subutex for 3 yrs. In the past 2 yrs, 3 (mg) tabs a day. I take all 3 at once. My dr. has me on 2 (8mg.) a day, but he knows about the increase. He doesn’t prescribe the 3 a day because my insurance only pays for the 2 (16mg.) a day. Now, he just told me to take 1 a day and I shouldn’t feel anything. So, I go from 24mg to 8 mg. I did feel the difference. I google to find another dr. in my area, and I came across this. I want to take this, print this out, show my dr., and say I’m going to do this and I need your help. If not, I will find someone who will. I need to be monitored and a professional to do this.I really do appreciate your help and ordering the Withdrawl-Ease. Ready to do this. Again, Thank you so much. I’m glad that people like you are on here helping out others and not charging a left and right arm for it. God Bless you.

  16. Motojay says:

    Hi George. Love the website only wish I would have found it about three weeks ago. I have been on Suboxone for about 2 years. My typical dose in that time was about 12mg a day. I am in a good point in life mentally and physically and was ready to be done.

    I started my taper process and continued tapering for about 6 months. I comfortably tapered from 12mg/day to 8mg/day to 4mg/day to 2mg/day in structured intervals. I stayed at 2mg for about a month and thought i’m good to “make the jump”. Wow was i wrong. The “jump” felt like I was jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge going on three weeks now. I have been going thru all of the typical symptoms (no sleep, no eat, no focus, NO energy, achy generally super crappy feeling for three weeks now. I still am struggling daily to live my life. For me each day is a little(very little)better that the day before.

    I was told by my doctors and even Suboxone reps directly (I know funny;like taking a politician for their word)right from the beginning that I would need to taper but was never fully informed of the severity of the withdraws that were possible.

    Making the jump from 2mg to 0 has been one of the most difficult things both physically and mentally i’ve been thru in my life. Without going thur this personally right now I would have thought your taper suggestion was excessive but i believe it’s right on.

    I truly feel that Suboxone helped me when i was in a bad situation but was never prepared for this. Oh well. I am trying to look at this as the right of passage to the other side (the drug free side). I got myself into this and now this is my payment to get out. Everything costs something. Just a final reminder that overuse of drugs really sucks.

    THX for letting me vent.

  17. Hi,

    I was on 600mg of Oxycontin for 2.5 years following a wicked car accident and when I lost my insurance, I decided to get on Suboxone. That was 2 years ago, while I have myself tapered down to .5mg a day to every other day, from the original 16mg/day, the same story I just can’t seem to drop that last little bit & if these withdrawals really are going to last weeks I don’t know what to do I’m taking 19 credits in college on my way to a dual DVM/PhD, so I’m no dummy, but I am at a loss. I have spring break, a week off, in 2 weeks and will probably take my last piece of Sub when I get home today. I guess my real question is do I try to “crash” over that week and if so what other drugs do I need? Do i beg my doc for another few pills to get me through until then and do I ask for some benzo to accompany this crash week or should I just put it off until summer? Any help is greatly appreciated!!

    Thanks,

    Kelly

    • Hi Kelly. Wow a lot of things going on and I think you’d probably be better off waiting until there are not so many other distractions. You are at a very low dose now (congrats!) and it’s readily apparent that you have the willpower to complete the taper. I suppose I don’t see why you would have to “beg” your doctor to give you a few more pills considering he/she cultivated this addiction for you in the first place. In my mind, going on spring break while in withdrawal would be one of the worst experiences I could imagine.

      When the time comes to detox, I’m not opposed to the occasional benzo but they are so addictive for some people (not me for some reason) that I worry about substitution.

  18. tough stuff says:

    can you update for folks that are uses the film version of suboxone? many thanks

    • Hi tough. I mentioned the film on another thread and had this to say about it. There’s still a lot to be discovered about the film on my end and from a users perspective but my initial concerns remain:
      I’m worried about the film because I think it’s going to be more addictive. Why? Well for one thing it is supposed to speed up “Absorption” and metabolism of the Sub. To me that means that it will be faster acting and perhaps that much more similar to full-agonist opiates. Oh and the new film is -of course- more expensive than the old pills. I’m wondering when the pills will be “phased out”.

  19. phoenix rising -5 yr subutex guy says:

    It’s nice to connect with others. I was put on this drug after taking a lowmdose of tramadol that caused a seizure.

    The doctor put a 2mg subutex under my tongue–I had no idea.

    5 yrs later.

    My average daily dosage ranged was on average 8mg, divided into 4 2mg doses.

    Everytime I tried a taper, something stressful in life occurred and I failed.

    Imhave not used this product yet. I am down to 1mg just once in the morrning, and just made this reduction 5 days ago. Was quite sick on the 72nd hr due to the long half life. Lethargy, chills, depression, overall creaminess.

    I like th taper plan. It seems like 33% reductions, which is a lot if you’ve been on it for almost 5 yrs.

    a note- subutex and suboxone both have the same partial opiate agoniat bupmorphine. Suboxone has naltrexone, and it seems. Oat are on suboxone not subutex.

    The withdrawal process will be similar since it’s ghe partial agonist that’s binded or almost glued to the opiate receptors.

    Was wondering, during the jumps under 2mg, how long do the withdrawal symptoms last ? They kick in at the 72nd hour due to the long half life.

    Just wondering how long they last.

    It seems in this taper plan, you stay on the new dose for 7 to 14 days. This makes perfect sense. IMO it could even be longer. But so far so good.

    This last jump corm 1.5mg to 1mg has been the hardest. Insomnia big time. And after 12 hrs from the dose, chills, lethargy, etc.

    The further you get away from your daily one time dose, I notice the symptoms pop.

    Hope these symptoms won’t last too long on the new 1mg daily morning dose,

    I will stay on this new dose for at least 14 days.

    Then the next is down to .75, which is really hard to cut, but I will come close.

    Slow taper is the best way.

    The full agonist approach, taking vicodin after going off sub sounds dangerous too me….

    Seems like sub withdrawal symptoms are not as intense as vicodin, etc, but the killer part is they seem to last for a very long time.

    This is what I think makes it hard. It’s like having a low or medium grade flu everyday for months,

    As opposed to just having a bad flu for 5 to 7 days.

    Onwards ands forward.

    Fee of us knew what we were in for, prior to being a dmi interred that first sub dose from our trustworthy doctor.

    We can do it, I just keep reminded myself, it’s temporary, as is everything in life.

  20. I can’t even put into words how thankful I am for the wealth of information you have provided for everyone out there for FREE! god bless you!

    I was taking 10-12 30mg roxi’s a day, orally. never sniffed or shot them. I took them correctly, just excessivly.

    I started suboxone 4 days ago. I started with 2mg. once daily and it’s been enough.

    My question is since I’ve only been on 2mg of subs once daily for 4-5 days now, how bad do you think my withdrawal symptoms will be if I just cold turkey it off the subs in a few more days? I have 6 left. I have a new script for 60 more but dont want to fill it simply because I want OFF of everything!

  21. Update…

    Day 7 without! Starting to feel better finally slept last night almost all night, was rough on midterms but I got through a little passionflower & kava & today finally got some Xanax so I think I’m going to make it, thanks for the reply & support George!

  22. Wow. I can relate to so many here on this board. Unfortunately, I have been getting all my subs on the secondary market, and never gone through the process of going to a doc. I can’t seem to make the final jump to go to doing nothing each and every day. It’s at a point where it is a real obstacle in my life as I recently completed my Masters degree and am looking to start my life and move somewhere to begin my career. I guess my question is, is there anything else coming out down the road? The nature of science and capitalism almost demands there will be a next next great thing, but is there? Is there any hope for a perfect drug? One that can end addiction and also not itself be addictive. We laugh at are ancestors for naming heroin because it was a “hero” in curing morphine addiction, but are we doing any better in our infinite modern wisdom? The best we have is still in essence, a trading of addictions.

    On another note, god bless you. You are doing a great thing here and I appreciate all the time and effort you have clearly put into this site. Furthermore, it seems as if it is done out of the hope to educate instead of market and I can’t tell you how much I respect that.

  23. I self medicated with subs after I developed an addiction to lortab.My friend and I split her meds because she had insurance and I did not,so I would pay her co-pays. When I tried to “jump” after tapering down to 2mgs. I was in agony! So I found a new person to buy from and tried again. Now I am under physicians care at a Dr. who prescribed 2 8mg tabs a day!! So I am only taking one on my own and hope to be off by the end of this summer.My hubby has agreed to be my pharmacist which I definitely do need because I haven’t the willpower to “suck it up” when I start to feel rotten!! Just so your readers know the taper down to 2mgs is really not that bad at all and noone (in my opinion) needs 2 8′s a day.Good luck to All!!

    • Thanks for that info Leslie. Yes, we’ve heard that the first part of the taper may be even easier than I have described in the article…perhaps I should amend it. Eh, I’ll leave it for now. Keep us informed of your progress Leslie!

  24. Hi George,I came acrossed your site yesterday thankyou so much for the info and much needed support that we all need!Im on day1 of the tappering off process i am going to purchase day and night pills do you when do you start taking them?

    • Hi Anna. thanks for the kind words. We recommend a tapering process and then about a week before you stop completely would be a good time to start taking the Withdrawal-Ease Supplement system as directed. Good luck to you and if you have any other questions, feel free to email me at info@withdrawal-Ease.com

      -G

  25. I too, am really thankful that you have taken time to help so many of us who are desperate to be released from bondage! My pain med addiction of 3 years, then transfered to suboxone and been there for about 3 years, so I expect PAWS to be an issue. Unfortunately, the lure of opiates is the first place was to ease a life of depression. Now I will be facing a new level of depression that will be a monster I’m afraid. I have searched the web many times for a program of quiting that seemed feasable, and this, along with one that is very similar, are the only ones that feel like they would lead to real success.

    I’m ashamed to say that I have an added problem in that I have also become dependant on 20 mg. of adderall a day, along with 3 mg. of clonidine. Do you have any suggestions as to which of the three drugs (suboxone, adderall, clonidine) I should get off of first? Do you have any experience with adderall “withdrawl” and how I might taper, or other ideas for the inevitable discomfort that will result? And what can I expect as far as symptoms? Sorry for the bombardment of so many questions. Any others who may have experience or advice would be appreciated.

    • Hi BJ. thanks for taking the time to comment on the site. There’s absolutely no shame being on those three drugs since many opiate dependent people take multiple narcotics…quite common actually.

      What i have to remind those people of is the danger that stopping all of them at the same time poses. As always, you need to talk to your primary care doc about your concerns and your plans just to make sure that you aren’t doing something that could really hurt you. Then I would go ahead and just address the opiates/Suboxone for now. I think the absence of Suboxone will have a profound impact on your mood, sleep and energy…in the long term.

      In the short term, yes you will have a detox period which will be followed by a couple weeks of feeling “rough around the edges” but what’s a few days being sick compared to the years of guilt, shame and everything else that comes along with being on opiates? Withdrawal-Ease can definitely help and if you can follow the instructions in this article above along with our Withdrawal survival guide then I believe you’ll have a much easier time detoxing from the Sub. Questions? email me at info@withdrawal-Ease.com and I’ll try to help in any way that I can.

  26. Hi George,
    It’s been awhile since I checked in. I’m now down to 2mg sub film 3x daily (am cutting them in 4th’s, initially started at 8mg thrice daily), and will jump down to 2mg twice daily next week. Every 2 weeks is working fairly well for me, but I have had a few stressful times where I’ve had to wait a few more days. The worst withdrawal I am experiencing is extreme drowsiness and a very hard time getting up in the mornings. I’m looking forward to starting your W/E when I’m at the 2mg stretch as suggested in your Survival Guide. I’m not taking any other Rx drugs except Lyrica and Baclofen for pain and muscle spasms following my cervical fusion along with OTC meds for pain. I have problems with concentration and my hands are very jerky (poss residual from my neck surgery?) Anyway, I’ll keep you posted on my progress in the next month or so!
    Take Care All!

    • Hi Lauri. Thanks for checking in. Sounds like you are doing very well and have gotten into a rhythm. Now it’s just a matter of being patient and moving the process forward. The shaking hands could be due to the cervical fusion since your C-4, C-5 and C-6 vertebrae have nerves that shoot down the arms and into the hands. The lack of energy sounds like a mild withdrawal symptom but it can be extremely annoying! Try to exercise since that is THE best way to get more energy.

      Keep up the good work!

      -George

  27. Thank you SO MUCH for addressing the issue of it being a “scam” doctor’s (and their staff–they look you in the eye and tell you “don’t get off the Suboxone list, you can’t get back on…..” BS!)have going. I’m one of the former vicodin addicts who became addicted due to normal pain management use–even then that doctor never told me they are highly addictive. I’ve used illegal drugs off and on as an adolescent and adutl however for the most part am a social drinker (not even weekly)–how I was ignorant to “pills” is beyond me. But as I stated, the “scam” part is the worst! It’s worse than the high cost of the meds. I’m just stoked I came across this site because my family doesn’t “get it”. I so have no use for Suboxone aside from the fear of withdrawal. Unfortunately, I had already detoxed myself off vicodin and went back on (it’s been a long road–my Mom died during, then things just spiraled so Suboxones DID get me back to a more normal routine) them. So I’m one of those who should have never gone on them in the first place. I knew that, but the doctor’s who prescribe this medication prey upon people who are at a vulnerable place in life. I think what bothers me even more is that their staff, people who have no formal education or training, etc. are making very bold statements. It’s just wrong in so many ways. Thank you for letting me vent: this actually helps immensely. Ciao! p.s. I will be purchasing your product within the next few weeks; it’s “time”. :-)

  28. Hi George, just wanted to say i have googled “suboxone withdrawel” many times, but only today found your site. I will try to keep my experience short and to the point.
    I was taking about 400 mg of oxycontin daily for about 8 yrs for back pain, some prescribed, some on the black market. In 2006, my doctor cut me off. Reason being, when i would run out of pills, i would drink, about a litre daily of scotch. THIS COULD NOT GO ON. The doc cut me off cold turkey with no support. It is easy to get mad at these doctors. In my mind doctors are like mechanics, some good, others complete IDIOTS!
    I heard of a doctor who could prescribe the so called miracle drug SUBOXONE. No miracle for me. I hated the stuff. The doc had me on 8mg three times daily. The doctor and i had a confrontation over my blood pressure. I had been given 60 pills w/two refills. It is funny, i basically did your taper problem on my own with some diffuculty. I now chop up a 8mg pill into 10 peices. one peice a day. i have done this now for about 8 months. I have about a 4 month supply remaining. I was very afraid of the FINAL STEP! But after reading your post, it has given me hope. I plan to jump into “week 18 and nineteen this coming Monday. I also am going to see about your product that you offer to help.
    In closing I want to say thank you. There are alot of us out there who want to be free of this miracle crap. I would also like to add that during my tapering, mild exercise, a support group (AA for me), and drink plenty of mieral water with B vitamins. I have been on suboxone for 5 yrs, and i have hope. Power to all you people who help. Do not drink alcohol while detoxing, it makes it soo much worse, alcohlic or not.
    GOS BLESS; Mike

  29. Your blog I did find helpful but also made me feel helpless. I have been on only 1 mg of suboxone for 2 years after using around 6 norcos per day for 2 years. I understand your plan but for me there’s not much of a taper process from 1 mg. I am currently on day 4 of nothing and have never felt more lifeless EVER!!! I can’t take care of my daughter, eat, work, show affection to anyone. My doc prescribed me xanax and clonodine which have helped, however all these post of people complaining of symptoms for months do not give me any hope whatsoever. There is no way in hell i could take that. I have a 2 year old that is the love of my life and right now I don’t want to be anywhere near here. I don’t have 2 months for this.
    How long will this last!

    Reading all these post of p

    • Hi Steph. I’m sorry that you feel hopeless; I can assure you there IS reason for hope. I still think you stopped too soon. As I mention in the blog, everyone is different and your detox might be significantly shorter than another person’s. If you have been experiencing acute withdrawal then that’s not acceptable. you should probably ask your doctor if you can stagger the dose between one and 2 days. then perhaps take 3 days between doses and so forth? The half-life in Suboxone allows people to go without for even days at a time depending on the person. So perhaps taking that approach might work for you.

      I agree it’s an intolerable position to be in but I think you can change that. Perhaps your body just needs more time and a more measured tapering process.

      Please don’t lose hope Steph

  30. John McIntosh says:

    I recently went though a detox center down in Florida. They detoxed me off 400mg Methadone but I was left on a small amount of Subutex. I’ve been home for 2 1/2 months. It’s my own doing I think, still on the subutex! The detox center recommended I go to a suboxone/subutex doctor for maintenaince since methadone has such a long half life and gets in your bone marrow and muscle tissue. I left on a low dose of subutex but couldn’t function in everyday life on the low dose I left at. The new “SUB” doctor held out his hand and agreed with me while we planned for my next visit! I paid alot of money to get off my 8 year methadone hab. I just want to keep my momentum and get off anything my 55 year old body doesn’t physically/mentally need. My plan was to come home from the detox center clean, to my wife and daughters. However, it didn’t quite work out that way. Anyway my comment, question, etc. was: This WILL work with Subutex as well right???? I look forward to your response. Thanks John

  31. Domenick DeCaprio says:

    This website is a god send! Thank you so much for the info. I have been taking suboxone for about a year. I just started to take them legally through a doctor and i’m on 16 mgs a day. I definitely am going to use this method to taper down. It is people like you that give me faith in the human race again. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this George.
    Domenick D.

  32. i’m 47 yrs old and have been addicted to opiates for over 13 yrs off and on. i’ve been to the methadone clininc 3 times. i went to a Sub doctor at the end of January 2011. i had started using again approx. 3 months before and did not want to get sucked back into my habit. I was prescibed 2 8 mg tabs per day, but found that was too much, so i went to just 1 per day. Since i’ve only been on Subs for almost 3 months, and i’ve only been taking 1-2 mg per day for the last month, i am wondering if i’m going to go through withdrawals. today is my first day with nothing and i find i have no energy, but my mind is a powerful instigator. kinda nervous about all the comments on the longevity of symptoms. Good luck to everyone who is trying to quit!

  33. Hi George- Your taper plan is AMAZING! I was put on suboxone for MIGRAINE prevention (if you can believe that) and had been taking 8-16 mg a day for 3 years! In January I went cold turkey (obviously hadn’t done any research on suddenly stopping) I went two weeks being completely ill- jumping out of my skin, vomitting, and wound up in the hospital. They put me BACK on the suboxone. THen I found your post. I followed your taper plan and got down to 1/4 of a mg every 3 days… then JUMPED! I found that when I did have symptoms I would exercise– even doing jumping jacks for a couple of minutes would kick in my endophins and I would feel fine. it’s been ONE MONTH- I don’t think about it- crave it– just so happy i found this post and followed your schedule. It REALLY works- and I hope others realize that if you taper slowly YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!

  34. Debbie says:

    Hello,
    Like you,I am No Doctor,but I have searched,and researched,and What I have read in your column,is so accurate.I became really intrested in the NRT(Neurotransmitter Restoration therapy) Which is Iv treatment with amino acids and vitamins. So I went and bought every amino acid, listed in the Nrt guide,which was over 300.00.After a week to ten days, I definetly felt a big difference.I will order your product(all the ingredients in One bottle,and lots cheaper! I however am on 8mg of Subutex 3 times a day,for over a year and a half. I am so tired,the only Good thing I can say about Subs for me, I am not overdosing on Hydro. The subs to me,really is like being on lifesupport. It is horrible. I wouldnt normally write,mostly I just wanted to say Thank you, so much,for caring and taking the time to help,In such detail. You are a Special person! Still Trying

  35. Robert says:

    Thank you for this positive and forward looking web site! It is one of the few sites which gives sub users a glimmer of hope when thinking of the future.
    I have been on a sub program for a year now. I have had ups and downs but I am better off than the hell my life was previously. I will not detail but, I am better now because I am able to think clearly and make plans about what course I want to take in my life. Before, it was all about the opiates.
    My problem now since lowering the sub dose to 2mg. is, extreme fatigue, moderate depression, and no ambition to do anything. My mind has become a prison which prevents my feet from taking a step forward. It is getting to me. I have lowered the dose very slowly under doc’s care and was going well until getting below 3mg. I had high hopes to start a new business and reacquaint myself with family and friends after being “gone” for a number of years while taking high doses of opiates. I want to do whats right and I want to make ammends but cannot do so when its hard to even get out of bed. If I take an extra mg of sub, the symptoms alleviate. I am 50 years young, I still have plans for my life, I want to eventually help others with this plight too, I am thinking I may have to take this pill the rest of my life. The only problem would be- how to finance this when I am a retired person living on a fixed income. I know I am looking a few years ahead but it is a concern. Are there people out there above the age of 65 years taking subs? And I also think about long term effects. Also, how will this affect brain and memory?
    Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to voice my story and concerns. I wish all of you with your own troubles my best thoughts and wishes. Dont give up.

  36. Hi George,

    I’ve read an enormous amount of information on your page and I have to admit, if you would have asked me a year ago what my opinion of Suboxone was, I would’ve said its a great medication that works fantastically. I dont feel that way anymore.

    I was on Suboxone for a few years after I became dependent on Dilauded following a battle with my health.Initially, I was told I would only be on it for a few weeks and then when it came to getting my first prescription I was told I would likely be on it forever. Well, that wasn’t ever my plan. I was on it for 4 years. I slowly tapered myself off despite all the resistance from the prescribing doctor. Eventually, once I was down to a quarter of a 2mg tablet for a while, I just stopped taking it. I hadnt felt better in years. I didnt realize just how “numb” even a half of a mg had made me, but other than that, I didnt recognize any side effects or symptoms from the medication while I was taking it. But once I went off of it I suddenly felt fantastic! For the first time in many years I felt ALIVE.

    But then, last February, I fell and broke my back. I was on Oxycontin and Oxycodone for the pain, and of course after a few months when I attempted to go off of those, I got very sick. My PCP was willing to ween me off of the Oxys but I panicked and ran back to Dr. Suboxone. This time however, I wasnt in withdraw when he put me on the first dose because he was leaving for vacation and “squeezed me in” at the last minute the day before he left. I didnt have time to be in withdraw. I got the phone call and went. Also, by my 2nd prescription he changed me to the films. He INSISTED I take the films, so adamantly that he called the pharmacist at the biggest pharmacy in my area and reamed him out for not having them in stock. Having been on both, I dont care what anyone says THEY ARE DIFFERENT. I felt totally different on them – I found myself MOODY and depressed (REALLY DEPRESSED), unable to laugh, numb, grumpy, short tempered and physically, some days out of no where I would get flu like symptoms that would go eventually go away unless I took a dose of Suboxone. I was taking 16 mgs per day but I there were days I still felt like I was going through opiate withdraw.

    A few weeks ago I was hospitalized after the emergency room determined that I have a blood clotting disorder and I had 2 Pulmonary Ebolisms. At the hospital, I was given dilaudid (they knew I’d take my Suboxone that morning) but they insisted that the Suboxone wasnt going to help the chest pain I was having (I’d already taken it just a few hours beforehand.) While I was hospitalized, they kept me on the dilaudid. In a way I was relieved because I just didnt have the same response to the Suboxone the second time around as I did the first time and I was feeling hopeless. I hated the way it made me feel, and talking to the doctor that was prescribing it was just a waste of time.

    Once I was discharged from the hospital, my doctor switched me from the Dilaudid back to the OxyCodone and agreed to taper me off of it. However, about 3 days after I stopped taking the Suboxone, I started having these episodes – twitching, stuttering, seizure-like episodes. I dont know if they are related to stopping the Suboxone so abruptly, or the fact that the 2 overlapped. I just know I’m scared as hell. I am scheduled to see a neurologist in 2 weeks but I’m not even really able to work right now. And to top it off now I’m back on the pain meds which I didnt want to be, but they are less scary to me then the Suboxone because I dont want to go through another numb 4 years and it wasnt really helping anyhow. I’m still extremely depressed (which I dont normally have an issue with depression), I have no energy or motivation, I’m tired most of the time and I just HATE the way that I feel. I cant tell whether I am having withdraw from the Suboxone or if its been replaced by the Oxys or if the two were taken too close together. I have been able to ween down from the Oxy from 8 to 6 tablets a day. That seems to be working but I’m scared. I dont know if I made the right choice. I dont know what to expect from the Suboxone, or lack of it and even my PCP doesnt know that much about it. I dont know what to do, but I have to do something before my entire life falls apart completely. I can hardly stand myself. Do you have any advice, suggestions or information? I’m desperate.

    Thanks.

  37. Melissa says:

    Hi George,

    My doctor put me on sub films(8mg 3 times a day) to help me with a ten year long habit of 30 10mg Lortab pills a day. I truly consider Suboxone a miracle. I ended up in ICU 3 times. My question is, I’ve only been on Subs for 3 months. Sometimes I only take 1 Sub a day. Would it be easier if I tried to taper now being as I have been on it for such a short time? The Doc is trying to tell me I should stay on it for at least a year because of my history. My other question is do you become addicted to Suboxone right away?

    Thanks, Melissa

  38. Hi George,
    Thanks for your encouragement, it’s really appreciated.

    Unfortunately, I was doing pretty well with my tapering and was just about down to 1.5 mg 3x daily and then my Dad became very ill with terminal lung cancer and mets to the bone. He doesn’t have that long to live and is on Hospice. It’s been incredibly stressful and my doctor recommended that I take a break while going through this crisis. I bumped up to 6 mg per day to help my pain level which had gone through the roof. It’s helping somewhat, but I feel like my system is all out of whack at times.

    Thanks again for your support!

  39. Thanks for the website and everyone’s time or effort to help others with this crazy suboxone subject & best of luck to all..I suggest stopping it, as in don’t stay on it long term as it likely will cause you more problems than not. There is truth, a lot of truth to the argument that many Suboxone Doctors are ignorant or excuse my language jackasses..I’m just saying you may have a stressful time finding the right doctor but don’t settle, it isn’t worth it as the doctor will prolong your process or who knows even randomly drop you as a patient..Suboxone doctors can be weird and there’s no lie there’s a stigma attached to it, I know I felt guilty once I learned how ignorant I was about this “”miracle”” I say sarcastically..no excuse but sympathy sure. I’m within the withdrawl process now, through self control I’ve been dedicated to going off this as I was off label prescribed it but I didn’t get upset at the idea at the time as I was desperate. Well good luck to you all and just think you could be helping by your experiences to literally change how at least this drug is prescribed and used let alone viewed!

  40. Tina Ruddy says:

    I just ordered your product and I am actually not scared to death anymore about going through the detox from suboxone process. I am at a low dose , .5mg but have been terrified of withdrawal so I have put it off for years. Just reading the many testimonials has given me hope for the first time in what seems like forever. I know that I will experience some pain and discomfort, but it sure sounds like it will be bearable with your product. I will jump off a week after I receive and begin taking your supplements. Pray for me please, thank you.

  41. Hello,
    I just want to say that I really wish I had a better understanding of tapering before I gobbled up the last sub film. I managed to do half then 1/4 the next day and the night before last I took less than a 1/4. So its been one day and one night without any suboxone. Last night was horrible couldn’t sleep couldn’t sit still I was so irritable for no apparent reason. I ordered the withdrawal ease and it will get here today I really hope it makes me feel better cause just the thought of another night like last makes me feel like I cannot make it. I honestly feel like the past 4 years of my life have been stolen from me. I was a slave to them suboxone. All I can do now is remember these horrible feelings the next time heroin crosses my mind and im looking for the next best thing to use to get off it. The 4 years I was on suboxone I actually thought I was clean. HA I now know that I was really fooling myself. Just one question, why does the withdrawals feel worse at night and a little less during the day

    • Hi Chesta. Thanks for commenting on the site and gicing your thoughts on tapering. Many people do not understand how important tapering is. It’s not like we invented it; it’s proven and it can help you reduce the acuity of your withdrawal symptoms significantly.

      As far as withdrawals “feeling better at Night as opposed to the Day”, well I think that depends on who you ask. I myself wasn’t crazy about either but I can see what you are saying about the Nighttime. I suspect that a lot of the reason why you feel this way is because your body is (in theory) still/immobile. Your mind races, fear creeps in, guilt pays a visit etc. It’s also my experience that RLS is more acute at night because you are not walking around and stretching your muscles. The twitches feel more severe because you are lying there and begin to anticipate the next one. The sweating or the chills can also feel a bit more “amplified.” The other obvious one is the fact that you are desperately trying to sleep and your body is simply saying “no”. Those may be some of the reasons why you feel the way that you do.

      My advice is of course to take action and try to exercise as close to bedtime as possible…even just taking a walk. Also, do the little things to pamper yourself before you go to sleep; take a bath, drink herbal tea, try to read or listen to an audio book. Create the “mood”! This will help your body transition into nighttime more smoothly. We have some other tips in our Withdrawal Survival Guide like the “Towel Trick” for RLS that can help significantly. Remember: proper sleep has a direct impact on the length and severity of withdrawals. It’s very important, so take as many steps as you can to help your body get the rest it needs.

      I hope that this helps you and others. Thanks for taking the time to comment here. Every comment helps others feel less alone and that makes a big difference.

      -G

  42. Hi George and everyone else. I have just spent the last hour reading all the post’s and responses. About three weeks ago I decided I was done with suboxone. I have been taking it for about 5 months. I have battled opiate addiction for about 13 to 14 years. I am a 47 year old male. I have been on methadone 3 times during this period, have had some periods of complete abstinence, and recently tried the suboxone for what I thought would be a “smarter” way to regiment some sort of maintenance to my problem. I have cold turkey’d drugs in the past. And it always sucks. Methadone in particular is a bear. But this bout with suboxone has been horrible. I was taking 8mg a day. I was not getting it thru a Dr. but unfortunately from the streets. Toward the end of my run I started mixing drugs like adderall and colonipin with the suboxone and started feeling that trapped feeling of hopelessness that many addicts know. I have been in and out rehabs and detox centers in the past. I have been involved with NA And AA also. But to be honest I never really fully committed to any sort of help. I thought I was different, special, smarter….My post is not really a question or a reply. I guess it’s just thanks to you and all the people who commented on the subject. Because I was thinking there was something seriously wrong with me. I didn’t think that stopping suboxone would be so tormenting. Major depression, lethargy, stomach problems, insomnia, muscle aches…the list goes on and on. Tonight will mark 23 days since I last took the drug. Still experiencing all the symptoms above. Maybe getting a little better but man it is sure taking it’s time. I have started back to NA and AA and have started to try reach out for help. And for once in my life be truly honest about my problems. I guess sooner or later I will turn a corner. Maybe at 60 days? Who knows. I have been keeping a diary of how I’m feeling each day and I guess there is some improvement from a couple of weeks ago. But it sure is slow. And mornings for me are the worst. Simple things like shaving and brushing my teeth seem like monumental tasks. Anxiety and panic set in frequently. But after reading all the posts I felt comforted. I certainly got myself into this mess but I honestly was not prepared for how hard it would be to shake this “miracle” drug. Thanks to all people who took the time to post information. And thanks George for the replies. It lets me know that I’m not alone and that there is hope….Ash

  43. i thank god i found this site and starting tomorrow the tappering down process Ive been through hell with this suboxone and im so ready to get clean free of all drugs ive let drugs control my life for way to long i just wanna be free because right now im in prison and the drugs are the bars that holds me i wanna be able to feel good without having to take meds!

  44. Eric Fletcher says:

    this is actually pretty accurate. I did a 14 day detox about 7 years ago and remained clean for 2 years. fell off the horse and got high for 2 more and a had a few cold turkeys in jail. been on suboxone for 3 years now. the first year i was getting them off the street and was consistently taking about 4 mgs a day when i tried to detox. It was hell and caused relapse. but the next 2 years i went to a physician and i haven’t taken anything for 7 days now. i was tapered down to about .5 or .25 mg a day. This time around the withdrawals are so much more manageable i can’t even compare the two. obviously their simply is no comfortable way to do this but that comes with the territory. using heroin or what have you is like taking out a loan eventually your gonna have to pay it back. I lived in the baltimore area but just moved, its not impossible to stay clean in a drug accessible area but if you somehow have the means to get away i would take advantage of it. Ive been dealing with this issue for over 10 years now and i am only in my mid 20′s. but enough rambling this was a very informative analysis of how to make it easier on you and i hope more people come here… coming from a full fledged. good luck everyone may the sobriety begin lol

  45. I just want to add for fellow detoxees that I’ve heard and I believe this to be true, you have to stay hydrated and the more you drink the faster it gets out of your system.

  46. Hi and thank you for your product withdrawal ease,I’ve been on sub 8mil,s for three month,s and have the same question,s as most responder,s to your site.My question is it ok to start the withdrawal ease product as I start the taper? I like other,s cannot afford the sub,s no longer and fear the total withdrawal process?
    Thank,s again!!!!

    • Hi Brian. Yes, it is fine to take the Withdrawal Ease as you taper. Go ahead and take it whenever you feel comfortable. It will not interfere with your Suboxone or the taper.

  47. George thank you!
    I have been detoxing from Suboxone film for the past three months, I was on 16 mgs and am now down to 2 from 4 for the past 7 days. According to my Doctors recommendations to totally quit after 2, to say the least it has been difficult, (anxiety, depression, chills, sleeplessness, and an overall poor feeling). Your recommendations make so much sense and are real from experience and I thank you for that.
    I have two questions, first what is in your kit? And secondly I have been taking about 10mg of Valium per day to help with the jitters and sleep. What is your recommendation on taking Valium.
    Thanking You in advance, I do plan on purchasing your kit but would like more information.
    Rick

    • Hi Rick. Thanks for the kind words. We have another blog post that I’ve put a “sticky” to the top of my blog Called “How To Detox From Opiates”. It will give you a good feel for the program and how the product fits into the program. I encourage everyone to research the program and the product as much as you can using the content that we have here for free. Even if you do not buy the product, there are a variety of resources that we have which can be very beneficial.

  48. George I have been on Subs for 4 yrs now ..And i feel it is time to get clean ..i found your site ..and i need to get off these pills i am 57 yrs old ..i went to a drug program back in 2010 and the dr there put me on these pills at first i thought it was a God sent …she told me the withdraws would not be bad at all ….She lied …reading all these message boards got me scared as hell …i can’t image being sick for 3 months ..that is why tapering down makes sence to me so thank you for the site …i will start tomorrow ….from 4 mgs a day 2 in the morning and 2 at night and so on …i need all the luck i can get .i also will go back to my meetings for extra help …and also ask God to help to …thank you again for the site George

  49. If you begin yawning incessantly after stopping, have you tapered too quickly? I’ve tapered on my own schedule before reading your article and I’m yawning a lot.

    • Hi Craig. Yawning is one of the very first withdrawal symptoms to manifest itself. If yawning is all that you are going through right now, I would say that your taper still sounds like it’s on track. If withdrawal symptoms become worse than you may need to slow down a bit.

  50. George,

    A BIG thanks to you, your plan and product on this (appropriate) Day of Independence! Also, some insight for others on what my situation was, what worked for me and what didn’t.

    First, thank you for taking the time, George, to create this sub detox plan and product. I encourage anyone thinking of following the plan to do it to the letter (and adjust when needed) and buy the product.

    In December 2013, I entered a detox hospital as a severe pain patient who had been diagnosed with opioid-induced hyperalgesia. This is a serious and rare condition, as the opioids that were given to me in higher and higher doses for two years were found to INCREASE my level of pain, rather than control or decrease it. I was at a 10 on the pain scale for most of that time. At the time of my intake, I was taking large doses of methadone, OxyContin, fentanyl, baclofen, ketamine and morphine. It should have killed me, and nearly did…several times.

    I detoxed in the hospital over 7 days. The first night of withdrawal was the worst of my life; indeed, the worst any nurse had seen. I was given suboxone and transitioned over to 8mgs/day. Rather amazingly, the out-of-control pain was considerably lessened after I withdrew from the opioids. I was amazed.

    After having to undergo surgery 6 days later (an anal fissurectomy – one of the most painful surgeries there is), I had no opioids to turn to for pain relief. I made it through using alternative medicine and a lot of meditation.

    In March, I decided I wanted off of Suboxone, as any opioid in my system was likely causing me added pain. I found this site and jumped in at week 9. I was shocked to find it would be another 16 weeks before I could get off of suboxone completely, but listened to your wise counsel of “it takes time, but not that much time, if you know what I mean.” Jumping at 2mg, as my doctor wanted me to, would have been a big mistake.

    I started having withdrawal symptoms around week 20. I freaked out and bought Withdrawal Ease and Nighttime Ease quickly. Within 5 days, any symptoms disappeared. I added an extra week of doing the same dosage for week 21, then proceeded. My last dose was May 26 – Memorial Day! My first dose of Recovery Ease started today, Independence Day. One more month, and I’ll let go for good.

    I still can’t believe my general doctor or pain doctors did not know about opioid-induced hyperalgesia. Dear reader, if your pain continues to increase despite more and different meds, consider that you may have this rare condition. Your pain may likely be FAR less NOT being on opioids…and I am proof you can manage your pain through alternative means.

    I appreciate all you’re doing for this community, George! Best wishes in your continued work and to all others looking to escape their pain and addictions.

    - Paul

  51. shari vall says:

    I am a little upset to have spent the time to ask for help, and order your product, and find that my questions were removed from the blog, i can’t find them to see if they have even been answered. I am starting to doubt my decision. What has happened to me, surely has happened to others, and it would have been nice to see their replies.

    • Shari! So sorry for the delayed response. The blog has been victimized by Russian spammers and I’ve had to go through and erase all of the spam which took me a couple days of work. Nevertheless, I apologize for the delayed response.

      First off, you are definitely not alone and I cannot tell you how many people have been “cut off” for one reason or another. This only intensifies the issues surrounding Suboxone. This is due largely in part to the maximum amount of patients that any one doctor can take. So a LOT of people get caught in your situation.

      Coming down from 32 is a big amount for sure but I have heard that if one is to get cut off and have to go cold turkey that (in many cases) it is easier to come straight off a high dose than a lower one. I have absolutely no clue as to why this happens but I have heard of several people who have had an easier time coming off of a high dose like yours.

      Apparently you are in a lot of discomfort and I’m sorry again that you’re going through this.

      I would highly recommend that you stay in touch with your primary care doctor so that they are aware of your situation and already have your medical history on file. This will help them account for some of your existing medical conditions and perhaps make adjustments in treatment. You can also ask them to write you some prescriptions for RX drugs that can help take the edge off. Things like Neurontin (Gabapentin), Clonidine, and even some benzodiazepines for rest. You need to be careful about the benzos (Xanax etc.) because they can be habit forming as well.

      I would also encourage you to follow our Withdrawal Survival Guide to the best of your ability. The product can certainly help as well.

      I know that this is a scary time for you Shari; it’s a horrible feeling. but the good thing is that there is a beginning and end to all of this and within a month’s time or so, you should be feeling a LOT better. I’d be eager to hear how you are doing so shoot me a note at info@withdrawal-ease.com and mention your comments. That way we can talk in private. My apologies again for the delayed response…blame it on the Russians!!

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