The “Art” Of Opiate Tapering

george-portraitBy George Catlin, CEO of Withdrawal Ease

Of course I get a lot of emails. I get emails from a multitude of folks from every state, every profession and demographic.

In fact I get some emails that range from the simple “Does it work?” to the sublime “THE ROOFTOP IS LATE ON THE SALAD!”

However, without question the one subject that is far and away the most popular is the “How Should I taper?” email. I probably could have saved myself and others countless hours of typing if I had gotten a clue and just written a little primer on some of the tricks of the trade that I’ve learned from other people, doctors and various other sources. I’ll attempt to distill all of this learning into functional tactics that will hopefully be helpful to many of you.

First a disclaimer: There are a lot of you out there who are on all sorts of different drugs, potions and cocktails of every size and strength. This is one reason why I do not give personal recommendations to individuals about clinical matters. All that I mean to accomplish in this post is to relay some lessons that I’ve learned about general concepts of tapering that work.  I will go through an exercise where I put together a “mock taper” schedule but that is by no means a schedule for everyone..or anyone for that matter. I am simply trying to illustrate how a taper program might play out. As always, if you have questions or concerns, ask your doctor. If possible always taper under the care of a licensed physician that knows your medications and your specific health issues. Again, these are just fundamental “guard rails” with which to taper by. Be safe and smart….

Ok, lets get started.

The Art of Tapering

The Goal:

The general goal of tapering your medications is to lower the amount of opiates or medication in your bloodstream and more specifically the amount of occupied opiate receptors in your brain so that you can lessen the impact of your withdrawal symptoms when you begin your detox. Furthermore, immediately stopping some drugs can be potentially harmful. As a general rule, it’s never wise to completely stop any medication abruptly unless you are advised to do so by a physician. If you reduce the amount of narcotics in your system; your withdrawal will hopefully be less severe and possibly shorter. That’s the goal..the hope. If you plan to detox, most physicians (and the data that I’ve read) suggest that tapering is an effective way to lower the acuity of your withdrawal symptoms. Like anything, sometimes this works and sometimes it doesn’t.

Note to Withdrawal-Ease Customers: If you are using Withdrawal-Ease, we have seen the best outcomes when our customers begin to take the Day Time and Night Time formulations approximately a 3-5 days before beginning your detox. This will allow the various ingredients in the system to get into your bloodstream and begin to work. Although it is not essential to follow this strategy, this is where we have seen the best results. Many people have started their Withdrawal-Ease upon detox (“Detox” in this case meaning the complete cessation of opiates) or even when they are in withdrawal and they have seen benefits. However, if possible we recommend starting Withdrawal-Ease prior to your withdrawal.

The Strategy:

The strategy for a successful taper is one that depends largely on the “Half-Life” of the drug that you are taking and your own body’s reaction to reduced amounts of opiates/narcotics in your body. In general terms, the Half-Life is the amount of time it takes for the opiate/narcotic levels in your blood to reach 50% of their original blood concentration. The half-life of your drug can vary from a few hours in the case of a drug like Heroin to 5 days for a drug like Suboxone.

The half-life of a drug usually coincides with the onset of withdrawal. So if you are taking Heroin intravenously, one can reasonably presume that with a half life of say: 6 hours, that one will begin to feel withdrawal symptoms after 6 or 7 seven hours or thereabouts. For a person taking Suboxone, which has a very long half-life it can take up to a week to feel withdrawal symptoms. As I mentioned, this can all vary from person to person based on your physical make-up; but the half-life of a drug is a very good indication of how long it will take for withdrawals to start after stopping or significantly reducing the intake of your medication. Ok, so I’ve beaten that one to death. Back to the strategy.

In my judgment, a successful taper is like walking on a razor’s edge. You are literally trying to keep two opposing forces at bay. On one side, you are trying to reduce the amount of opiates (or narcotics) in your bloodstream and on the other side you are trying to keep withdrawal from setting in. I cannot tell you how many people email me and say, “I’ve been tapering and going down from this to that etc. etc. and I feel awful.” My response to that is “Why?” The goal of tapering is to eventually Reduce the symptoms of withdrawal. The reason why you are lowering your dose is to help you feel better, not worse. Clearly, these people in my mind are not tapering their dose correctly. Either they are waiting too long between doses or they have reduced their doses too much too soon. Some people may disagree with me (for reasons I know not) but if you are tapering and you are acutely symptomatic then you aren’t doing it correctly. Of course there may be some very slight symptoms but one shouldn’t be in full-blown, goose-flesh withdrawal while tapering. Why prolong the agony? You are going to go through some sort of withdrawal/detox regardless.

The strategy should be to lower your dose as much as you can yet still remain reasonably comfortable so that your eventual withdrawal is as painless as possible. This may take some trial and error but the secret is patience and also a willingness to adjust your taper schedule if necessary. If you are sticking to a schedule and you feel sick then you may need to shorten the time between doses or possibly raise your individual dose just a bit so that you do not cause withdrawal symptoms. It’s a delicate balance for sure.

No one knows this more than a person trying to detox off of Suboxone. The difficult part of Suboxone is that is has a very long half life and people’s opiate receptors are not able to shed Suboxone very easily. For those people on suboxone, it can take months and months to taper properly and some people even get down to 1/4mg or less and still find it very difficult to stop. There’s a psychological aspect to the PAWS (Post Acute Withdrawal) phenomenon for sure but everyone that I talk to on Suboxone or trying to taper off Suboxone has the same story: it takes a long time to get off of Sub. BUT it can be done. I address suboxone detox in the Suboxone Information section on the website

The “Mountaineering Memory Management Device”

So ultimately, tapering is a useful strategy to help reduce the discomfort of your detox/withdrawal but it has to be done correctly or it can make matters worse. A good analogy would be high-altitude mountaineering. All climbers have to acclimatize themselves to the altitude or they can get sick and possibly even die from pulmonary edema or other nasty things that happen suddenly and kill you. If you have ever read anything on climbing Everest or any tall mountains, you’ll recall that all climbers have base camps at several altitudes on the mountain. When they arrive at base camp #1, they may ascend up to Camp #2 and then come back down for a day or so. Then they gradually move up to each base camp going back and forth as needed so that their body and get used to the lack of oxygen at those higher altitudes. Tapering is essentially the same process. But mountain climbers don’t wait until they have a brain hemorrhage or pulmonary edema to go back down the mountain unless they have made a grave mistake and have acclimatized too fast. I think that this is a great example -albeit less grave- of what your strategy should be for tapering. Take it slowly and let your body get used to not being on as much medication; if you start to feel sick then maybe you need to slow down or maybe you’ve cut your dose by too much.

An Example of a Typical Taper With Withdrawal-Ease (Remember my disclaimer?):

Lets say that you are currently taking 10 Vicodin per day (2 at 4-6 hour intervals). You and your doctor have decided that it’s time for you to get off the pain meds. So you both put a schedule together and it goes something like this:

Week 1: Lower your dose to 8 per day but instead of skipping an entire dose just take 1 pill at two of your scheduled intervals. This should always be the strategy; you want to make sure in the beginning of your taper that your body/brain get  medication at the same times that they are accustomed to…just less of it.

8am: 2 pills

12: 1 pill

4: 2 pills

8: 1 pill:

Before Bed: 2 pills

Week 2: Lower Dose to 6 per day and keep a close eye on how you feel. Is your energy ok? Are you eating and sleeping well? Are you depressed? If you have any symptoms of withdrawal, you and your doc may consider raising your intake to 7 per day for the first half of the week. Remember, same intervals, reduce the dose.

Week 3: Lower your dose to 4-5 per day and cut out one interval. This will be a bit difficult but I have found that it easiest to take out one of the intervals in the middle of the day as opposed to the morning or night time doses. As always, inform your doctor if you are experiencing any acute symptoms.

8am: Take 2 pills

12am: Take 1 pill

4pm: Skip interval

8pm: Take 1 pill (If you are feeling ok at this point, you can try and quit this interval too)

Before Bed: 1 pill

Week 4: Cut Dose to 2-3 per day. This is the point where you take out another interval and begin to lengthen the time between doses.  As always, if you feel sick or start to go into withdrawal, you will want to consider taking a pill as needed to relieve the withdrawal symptoms. Remember, the goal is to not feel withdrawals…but it’s not to get “high” either! Those days are gone.

8am: Take 1 pill

2pm: Take 1 pill

Before bed: Take 1 pill

Week 5: 2 pills per day.

For our Withdrawal-Ease customers, we would typically recommend that you start taking Withdrawal-Ease at this point.

Take one of your pills in the evening and one at night until the end of the week preferably Thursday. Thursday before bed should be your last dose. This is the time that we all dread but has to happen. It’s DETOX TIME! With any luck, your tapering program went very well, you stuck to your schedule by and large and your withdrawal symptoms will hopefully be mild. However, this will be the first time that your body and your brain will truly be without opiates. The vast majority of people who have been on pain medications for an extended period of time (more than 6-8 weeks) will go through some sort of withdrawal or detox. You will feel like you have the flu and you may have many of the symptoms that we describe on our symptoms page. Thursday is a good day to quit if you are on a regular work week, your acute detox process can be dealt with mostly on the weekend…or at least the worst part of it.

Hopefully, at this point you have been able to taper successfully and your symptoms will be mild. If you have been on opiates for a long time, the detox may still be very uncomfortable but at least you have done everything that you could to ease the symptoms.  At this point you should also refer to our Withdrawal Survival Guide that will take you through the first 5 days of acute detox and give you tips on what to eat, what to wear and how to plan your first few days of withdrawal which are usually the worst.

I’ll be honest, a lot of people can’t make it through a taper process because it requires a lot of discipline. But it’s well worth the effort. You really need to concentrate on the end goal which is to get off of your medications and become symptom free, then you’ll be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel and start to feel better again.

For our Withdrawal-Ease customers, you should take the Withdrawal-Ease throughout the detox period as described above and then take it as long as you feel it is helping you. If you feel like it is no longer needed then it’s ok to stop. One order contains a month’s supply of the Day Time Formulation and month’s supply of the Night Time formulation so that should be enough for the non-Suboxone customers out there. We’ve heard of a lot of people who take it until the supply is gone and then they’re done. Our Suboxone customers tend to take it longer due to the extended withdrawal periods that Suboxone causes.

Conclusion:

I hope that this has helped some of you put together a strategy for getting off of opiates. Remember this is just a framework and not a prescription. I’m not a doctor. But together with your clinician preferably, maybe you can follow this same framework and hopefully reduce the discomfort of withdrawal. It’s one of the main hurdles that is keeping you from living a drug-free life and also gaining back the true “you”. Don’t let the fear of withdrawal keep you from gaining your life back; there’s a way to go through detox on YOUR terms and that’s makes a critical difference in how it impacts you and those that love you. As always, I will say that with a good taper program and by using Withdrawal-Ease you I believe that you will be FAR better off than simply going cold turkey. So it’s time to take control back from the pills and do something about it. I think if you follow some of these processes, you’ll feel better and have a greater chance for success. That’s all that anyone can hope for. Tapering works, Withdrawal-Ease works and quitting is worth it.

Thanks,

-George

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Comments

  1. jim cooper says:

    how do you taper off morifin patches safly

    • i just want to say i neva detoxed from any opiates but i have taken them for six years i wanna say i was on suboxene for the last six months and tamperd down from 8mg ounce a day down to .50 its been 4 days im off suboxene and i feel really good i purchased the withdrawl ease and from how i felt in the past when i got sick i dident feel that way this time iam not saying to run out and buy it but for me i think it really worked im not gonna lie the first two days were really not easy but when u r on that edge do not quit it took me alot to not go for that piece of suboxene u will thank yourself if i can do it u can do it stay strong and u will be done with this nightmare

      • So happy to see someone was a success in 2013.
        I want to do this. You gave hope :)

      • Does length of time on opiates impact the length of time it will take to get off them?

        • Hi Tammy. Yes, to a certain extent it does. Having said that, this can vary from person to person. The difference can be very slight or it can be a big deal.

          For instance, a person who took 6 Vicodin per day for a year and then detoxes will likely suffer through a few days of acute detox, then a week of post acute detox with just minimal symptoms (low grade insomnia and fatigue etc.) followed by a complete recovery shortly thereafter. No muss no fuss.

          A person who has taken 35 Percocet for the past 10 years may face an entirely different challenge both physically and mentally. First of all the acute part of the detox may last a few days longer and the post acute detox could last much longer. Some people might feel detox effects (albeit minimal) for a long period of time after their detox. That is due to the fact that their brain needs to go through the re-booting process and learn how to function on its own again. The body has also been nutritionally compromised for years which is why we recommend some sort of multi-vitamin for post acute detox.

          Having said all of this, there is also a chance for this person to go through what we would consider a normal detox as described above for the person who took 6 Vicodin a day. It depends.

          Ultimately, I’m comfortable saying that the length of time does play a factor in both physical and mental withdrawal as well as how much help you will need AFTER your withdrawal in order to stay off of the pills for good.

      • Hey “joe L”, forgive me, but do I understand correctly that you were taking 8mg Suboxone, and tapered down to .5mg? I ask because I am currently on 1mg, and am considering using this program. Your story gives me hope. Please reply, thanks.

  2. I can’t tell you how much hope you have given me…I have been on them a long time and have chronic pain I go to pain management Dr and watch try to stay close to the prescription but they really don’t work that much and now I just take themto keep from being so sick. I suffer from depression and mood swings and loss of interst inlife in general. I wish I would have never ever had these things even though they helped me initally. Im not a drug person I am ashamed even though I work full time hve recieved awards at work do everythig IM suppose to do but I don’t enjoy my life I just make it through the day. I can’t go to a rehab clinic I want to be private only my husband know about my use. He is diabled and I take care and work. Ive thought that I need to taper off and so glad you can do this while suing your product. I am going to plan this try to get a leave from work or use my vacation.I will admit I’m so afraid but so thankful to know about you!! BUt I can not go on. However what do you do for real pain?? I just want to be pain free I have amny medical issues like diabetes, heart stent, spinal stenosis, palpatations,disc buldging, sarcoidosis, hypo-thyroid.Thnks for your help!

    • I am havinga hip replacment and knee surgery with in a month. I take 4 roxys a day, 30mg . Also 100mg of morphine er 2x a day givin to me from my back Dr. For pain Management. Should I taper after the surgery?

      • Hi Sicily! This is complicated because you will need meds for post-op pain. The best thing to do in this situation is to contact your surgeon and see if they can put you in touch with your anesthesiologist. They will need to make adjustments to your anesthesia and they may want you to taper a bit prior to surgery. You should also let the surgeon know if they don’t already.

        After your recovery, then you can consider taking down your meds via tapering and plan for your detox. Right now, the main thing is to make sure that those on your surgical team know what you are taking and have a plan for you with respect to post-op pain since you have a high tolerance.

  3. Thank You George,
    This has been extremely helpful. I have been tapering off for over a week now and not doing bad at all. I was on 90mg. of morphine 3 x d, percocet 4 x d, & soma 4 x d
    I suffer from chronic pain but feel (like you said) the meds are just making me feel normal but I am still in pain WITH THE PAIN MEDS! so…. I thought I’d try and see how I do without them. I have been on these meds and at one time on oxycontin (too expensive) for 12 years so this is VERY SCARY for me but I’m down to 1 60 mg. morphine (I take 1/2 at a time) 2-3 percocets and 3-4 somas a day. so far so good, more depressed than any thing else. Thanks for sharing how to taper off! very helpful.
    Searching for a better tomorrow, Lisa

    • Good going Lisa! I’m sorry everyone that I have not been replying to these comments but I have gotten absolutely assaulted by spam and had to purge the whole system. I would sometimes get up to 1,000 spam psosts a day and it was hard to sift through the wreckage. Luckily my man Kaush got me a great WordPress plug in that got rid of it so I’m able to respond a lot more now.

      Lisa, please email me an update if you can and I’ll try and email you at the address posted…I want to hear how you’re doing!

    • Hi,
      I was hoping you might still be checking this post. I am in my forties and have been legally taking oxycodone for years. I have trigeminal neuralgia. It is horrible. But I want to get off my Rex desperately. I don’t drink, smoke or anything and I feel so bad about this. There is no cure, there is a brain surgery they can do to TRY and fix it but its not a guarantee . Please someone talk to me, and God Bless the person that made this site. I take 4 tablets a day. I can take up to six but I don’t. I just take the pain and I can’t eat either, with obamacare, I won’t have my same Dr. Something he said would never happen but it is. He is an elderly, very smart MD I can’t afford to pay cash and go to him on my own. My insurance covers it now but when oc hits I am in trouble. It’s just not fair. I don’t want a new Dr to have to go through all my personal history. Please keep in touch, someone please. I live in Newport Beach, Ca.

      • Hi Sue! We’ve got a new site up and have been able to figure out all of the spam issues that were clogging up the comments sections of our website! In any case, please email me at info@withdrawal-ease.com. I want to delve a bit deeper into your situation and hopefully provide some advice but I would also like to respect your privacy. The ongoing pain issues are a concern and you may need to work with your doctor on how to change your dose or meds which may have a profound impact on how you feel. Nevertheless, I would like to discuss this more so please email me when you get a chance. Hang in there Sue!

        -George

  4. Congrat to Lisa and good luck! I also go to pain management and I’m a cancer patient. I have been on 15mg oxycodone for several years and I’m sick of it. I take them more now to prevent WDs than to help with pain. I found this info today and I actually have some hope. I take about 5 15mg tablets per day but I only take 1/2 at a time (usually 1/2 every 3 hrs or so). If anyone has any suggestions on how to taper from that I would really appreciate the help. Good luck to everyone trying to quit!

  5. thank you George for respondind so fast! just going to all posiblle ways of cures and thank God i found the only offorable “cure” YOURS!! i hope! well i think the way you have explain the taper down has made lots of sence fot me! i take oxy’s 100mg~3~day! oxycodone 30mg~4~day! as prescribe by my Doctor! my doc wants to start me on soboxone and that i did more resure AND i think NOT! So i have only 5days left of my meds i will tell my dotor to cancell my sobuxsone? so i can taper off with what i have left of meds or should i ask for another prescription? OF COURSE MUCH LESS MEDS THAN I AM TAKING, PLEASE LET ME KNOW ASAP! BECOUSE I HAVE AN OPPOITMENT NEXT WEEK!! I AM GOING TO ORDER YOUR PRODUCT TMRW AND DEPENDING IN WHAT YOU RECOMEND, WELL I WILL CONSIR-IT! I JUST HAVE LITTLE TIME TO DO ITHER OR! WELL THANKS FOR AVERY THING, I HAVE A FEELING WE WILL BE TALKING FOR A LONG TIME! GOD BLESS!!

    • Hi Eddie. I just got finished with my “opus” on how to Detox at home. It probably should be a 3 part series since it is so long but take a look at it. It basically put the whole plan together. I suggest that people start their plan 30 days out so you might want to taper a bit longer. I’m not a doctor and more importantly, I’m not your doctor so you should talk to him/her about your tapering schedule and how you plan to detox. A LOT of my customers are getting assistance with our plan from their GP’s and/or family practitioners because no one else will help them. To read the Blog just go to my blog page or you can click on the link below:

      http://www.withdrawal-ease.com/how-to-detox-from-opiates-at-home/

  6. What is your take on 280mg Oxycodone per day.
    note; I would love to hear how you came up wit the taper schedule above. It sounds like you read it from a TEXT book and not common sense – real life, real humans – based. No offense. I depend on 280mg (a slow as 220 some days) due to legit pain. And am taking as follows; 80mg every 8hours + 30mg instant release as needed daily. How would you recommend I taper down. daily or Monthly? and by how much? I welcome your reply and dialogue. this may save someones life.

    • If my original taper process is “not common sense based” then why on Earth would you want me to recommend a taper schedule for you specifically? That does not make…sense.

      Also if you have legit pain then why are you trying to stop your medication?

      • Good reply . and by No means does anyone have to follow the SUGGESTIONS to Georges tapering technique. There is no exact science to this tapering and what you’re offering is helpful to anyone who’s asking.
        I personally do see the logic in this method.
        I do remember reading in a previous statement ” Whatever works for you”
        Thanks George!

  7. DOES THIS REGIMEN YOU ARE RECOMMENDING HELP WITH LACK OF ENERGY? I MEAN I HAVE 4 CHILDREN THAT DEPEND ON ME, WILL WITHDRAWAL-EASE HELP WITH IT? AND HOW LONG WILL THE NO ENERGY FEELING LAST? CONSIDERING I TAKE ABOUT 10. LORCET 10 MG DAILY. BUT I AM PRESCRIBED THEM DUE TO CHRONIC LOW BACK PAIN WITH BONE SPURS, AND SPONDLYSIS.

    • Hi Cheryl. Withdrawal-Ease has ingredients such as amino acids (L-Tyrosine being one of them) that are the building blocks for dopamine and norepinephrine; both of which give you energy and better moods. Having said that, it will not do all the work for you and you need to eat right, exercise and get quality sleep.

      You sound as though you have some chronic pain and that is also something that needs to be addressed since that can cause lack of energy; pain that is. So you need to deal with the pain in some form or fashion. If you are taking the meds as prescribed, why are you stopping them?

      -George

  8. genevieve says:

    grateful to have found your website. i have been on morphine for chrons disease for 20yrs.
    my use varies but no less than 60mg a day to avoid withdrawl.Prescribed 150 tablets of 15mg
    mscontin(ER) and 120 tabs of 15mg morphine sulfate(fast acting)Again my use varies but I make sure I have minimum dose. I am going to do the taper(I will suceed)along with withdrawl ease and will look forward to corresponding with you during the process.Thanks Again! P.S. thru the years I have talked about tapering this is first time I had any info or support for this method

  9. I starting taking hydrocodone after a serious injury. I did not have insurance at the time and I had to go to a pain management clinic, where i live they are everyehere. I have stopped the medication before, but I had another injury at work and became dependant on this medication again. I want to stop, I want my life back, I want to feel good without having to take anything. I have escelated to a dosage that I am embaressed to say right now, You know what I’m willing to trust anything that will work right now-It’s about 40 10mg. a day no less than 25. I need advice to get my life back, I can’t seem to do it alone.

  10. Greetings, I’ve just discovered your site and am encouraged! I have tapered my use down to 20-30mg. of Methadone per day, but am worried about my Anxiety/panic syndrome increasing as I attempt to go lower on the Methadone. I take Xanex or Ativan when I feel my anxiety level skyrocketing, but sparingly, I’ve no desire to get addicted to benzo’s! Any advice to combat my anx/pan conditon w/out meds? Thanx, Drew

  11. Im taking at least 10 lortabs daily, More if i have them to take & i have been taking them in these amounts for a year and a half and im sick of it..I work full time and i dont have any vacation days left only day i get off is sundays and i cant miss work because of all the sick days iv taken because of my addiction and not having the meds. My question is do you have energy while taking the at home detox? Or would suboxone be the best for me? because from what i have heard you dont have any withdrawls from suboxone and it evan gives you energy to get up and go to work. Im so confused and i want to start this process as soon as possible i cant keep living like this.

  12. I think your doseage is way too high. I have gone down to less than a pill in one month and no pain no nothing. I did 20 mg for three weeks. then 16 mg one week. then 12 mg one week and plan to cut tomorrow. I was on opiates for forty years. The trick is a quick comfortable detox. if you do it like most say, you will really be in a state of heavy addiction. I have had NO discomfort and will cut down again soon. I have spoken to many doctors and other people and all agree, quickly and as soon as stable, cut… most say 3=6 weeks. I can’t do that but close. I hope the product works when and if I feel withdrawal. Thanks

    • Hi Sally. Thanks for the comment. Our time frames are similar and I’m not suggesting that the dose levels in the example are good for everyone. In fact, I really try and stress that this is a very subjective process that really depends on discipline and recognizing the signs of withdrawal in order to make adjustments as needed. Everybody is different so I have to disagree with the notion that “quick is best”. I suppose that I would agree that the goal is to get people off of their meds or opiates as quickly and as comfortably as possible though.

      So the example that I gave may not work for you; it’s merely an example of how the process works and how one can design their own tapering program that suits their needs.

  13. I have been using every abusable drug known and some that arent yet. In about 1990 I decided to destroy my life, business and alienate almost everyone ive ever known.So I know what im talking about. Ive been in residential programs as well as so many hospital detoxes I dont even know how many.
    I had awesome insurance and would detox to retox. In 1998 I decided that opiates were too much to get off, so i went on Methadone maintenance. I got up to 120 mg a day. I cant say exactly when, but in the last 4-5 years, with some Narcotic Anonymous program that I guess I absorbed during those rehabs, I just lost the desire to get High anymore. As of now I am down to 25 mg of methadone a day. I went down 5mg a month, but due to a crushed vertabrae in my mid back september 0f2010 as a pain management thing recommended by my MD I stayed on it.
    I read these comments from people and I guess theres a lot of clueless addicts out there still. Im telling this all in the hope that maybe someone may get something from it, I plan to completely be off the methadone by years end or sooner. I plan to buy your product when I get down to about 15 mg a day. I just hope I can afford it. I barely pay my $200 a month methadone clinic fee, and feed myself. Anyone planning to get off opiates of any kind should really not just try it alone, Narcotics Anonymous and associated programs can really help. People need to know that just attending meetings is a start, but Working steps, especially the 4th really helps get out your inner demons and stuff from life, so people I recomend this product and their helpful suggestions, but really ask for help, its out there if you want it. Just getting off the drugs is not enough, you see itsSTAYING OFF THEM thats tough!! haverelapsed enough for the Guiness book is nothing to be proud of, but kicking this crap is gonna be the hardest thing you do in your life. I hope my words help even one person to go all the way through and stay clean. Good luck all, and God bless us every one. SAM

  14. I would like to thank you for giving me the tools & confidence to taper myself off Subutex/Suboxone. Sincerely,joe

  15. Just wanted to know if you had heard from anyone who used poppy pod tea as their opiate of choice. I have been a chronic user for about fifteen years – about ten to fifteen pods per day. I have no idea how that equates to other opiates. Have tried to detox myself in the past and it is always a nightmare. I am tired of the wasted money and worry about whether or not I can obtain my supply of poppy pods. Sure hope the Withdrawal-ease helps

    • Hi Tom, yes, I have heard a lot about poppy tea and the detox period is similar to some of the faster acting opiates like Vicodin and Percocet. Please let me know how you do; if you use the product correctly and follow the Survival Guide, it will be a lot easier than going cold turkey.

  16. Tanja Duffey says:

    Hello,
    I understand getting off of the drugs but the reality is that my mother still has severe pain in her neck and lower back. Scar tissue is so large it presses against nerves, the option is to have the nerve killed but then she will have no control of bodily functions. Not a good option. How is pain dealt with?

    • Very good question Tanja. I’m writing an article on that very subject right now but I’ll give you the Cliff Notes version of what I say: “If you have acute chronic pain then you probably need opiates for your pain”

      If one were to give me the choice of a lifetime of opiate addiction or chronic nerve pain, I’m pretty sure I’d pick the opiates. I know its more complicated than that but opiates are the top selling class of drugs for a reason; they work great for pain.

  17. Heather says:

    I noticed there are no comments from tramadol users. I have been taking Ultram for almost 7 years now, and regularly taking 4-7 pills for the last 4 years. I was given them by my dr. when I developed gallbladder problems. He assured me they were non-narcotic and safe…like ibuprofen. I recognized they gave me energy and made me feel great, so I kept getting prescriptions for them. I had genuine lower back pain, but I don’t think that I needed painkillers on a regular basis for the pain. But I liked the way they made me feel. When I realized within the past year or so that they were now having adverse effects on me…weight gain, acne breakouts, moodiness, short term memory issues, etc. I decided I didn’t want to take them anymore. I didn’t want to worry about whether I left them at home, whether the pharmacist shorted me, whether I had enough to make it to my next refill, whether or not the dr would give me another prescription. I hated the control they had over my life. But then I tried to stop taking them and felt the effects of withdrawal for the 1st time in my life. I chickened out and continued taking them, though my parenting, job, and graduate schoolwork was suffering. A year and some change later I am determined to kick it. But honestly it is the hardest thing I’ve ever tried to do. It’s horrible. I have felt such a mix of emotions and horrible physical discomforts, and every now and then I will just want to take 3 just to feel better. But I am doing this for my daughter…and for me. I don’t like anything or anyone…except God to control me or who I am. This will be my 3rd try within the past 6 months. I have once again weened myself down to one a day and then to none a day. I broke down and took one yesterday, which was the 1st in 4 days. I had used xanax for the anxiety feeling the 1s time but even at a low dose it makes me so sleepy I can’t function. I am a mother to a very active 9 yr old, work full-time, and I am a full time graduate student. I don’t have time to be sleepy. But the effects of the withdraws…anxiety, crawling/sensitive skin, etc. is too much to handle. I am ordering your product. And I pray that it helps me. I am desperate this time. Before I found your product I was thinking of making an appt with my dr. to refill my prescription. I know your product is not a cure all but I pray it gives me the support to get my life back.

    • Hey Heather…whatever you do don’t give up! It’s too late to turn back now and you are through the worst of it by now. If you just took one Ultram after 4 days of nothing then I don’t think that’s a deal breaker at all. I do espouse the use of “Rescue doses” if they are taken within the scope of a tapering plan. You seem like you’ve got better self control than I do so I think you’ll be fine. Please feel free to email me at Georgec@withdrawal-Ease.com and let me know how you are doing ok? Hang in there…the worst part is pretty much over with.

    • listen to him, taper dont quit cold turkey without anything, get stuff for the “runs” maybe some energy bars, but youve gotten further than i have and alot of others, please just taper and use the rescue doses when youre at work and school, then pick a vacation week, like xmas thanksgiving, one of those that give you 2 to 3 days off of work and school, thats when you get off off, and for your child he can stay with a family member for the holidays im sure, hell ill babysit for you! obviously i cant magically appear so ill be more logical and stick to the family member, then you tell everyone that you have the flu and you cant make it to the gatherings, and if you need an extra day or two i would make sure i dnt miss any days at all around the month you know youll be taking for this, and miss a day or 2 after the holiday vacation is over giving you atleast a week tops, but please my heart goes out to you dont turn back or give up, please youve came so much farther than alot of us i promise you, if youre strong enough to get here than damnit you can cross the finish line! just remember, until you get that big break its okay to take rescue doses, just dont go backwards and take as many as you were before you started tapering, stay comfortable , and you can do it!!

  18. M. Rose Dominguez says:

    Today I said to myself, “Enough is enough”. I went online to look for some kind of help regarding detox from opiates and the “Withdrawal-Ease” website, popped up! It actually gave me some hope after reading your blogs and how the system works. Unfortunately I am trying to get off Heroin and I’m not sure how to “taper” that. I don’t use it to get high, only enough to go to work without being sick, and to TRY and function normally. This is my dirty little secret that I can’t live with anymore and I want my life back! I started with pills after a very bad car accident with a bus, but heroin was cheaper for the pain. I don’t use it intravenously, just snort it, but it’s been going on for 5 years. I’m buying the product, but all I keep hearing about is pills….does the product and system work for heroin? I wanna start tapering ASAP, but I need a little help; a guideline possibly…. I do at the most a 1/2 a gram of day….and I can go for about 4 hours, or 6 top, without using when I am busy… Thanks George, glad to know that you are trying to help others with WD’s and it’s especially nice to know that you are helping based on your own experience!!

    • Thats how it was for me too, 2 accidents, i used to be an athlete! After the accidents, and i think me being socially shy, i didnt know your body could become dependent, i swear i never knew, now im like you, i want to stop but i have things to do, bills dont pay themselves, its tough, i wish i knew this would happen otherwise i wouldnt have taken them everyday now i dont want any at all, and yes him speaking from experience helps alot, like huge difference , and yes this works for heroine! i read this whole site and i saw it, you should pick the only vacation day like me, with me its percocets, but i know heroine all too well from my family members using, goodluck i know you can do this!

  19. who is this guy writing all of this?!?!?! Im so happy you exsit! Just reading everything makes me feel so….not alone, and i feel they he really gets it because he went through it, my work gives me absolutely no time to detox, my only option is at home, and i have already started tapering, but very slower, as my job makes me stay active, its my dilemma, i have no time to stop, but i think thanksgiving vacation might be the worst thanksgiving ive ever had, because i think ill do it, i think i can, i just might, its the only change i have away from work thatll allow me for detox, by then ill taper even more, and blame the winter weather for my slowness (i get sick easy during the winter)
    and ill just do it, ill follow everything in this plan and give it a shot , i really want to sooo bad, im crying just writing this post, if you have any pointers about the sweating please please email me please, for me the sweating (i share a bed with my husband too and i have nowhere else to sleep but hes so supportive, he would sleep on a burning floor for me any day of the week, i know, im lucky to have him and regardless of it being about me, i owe this man my life and i want to be okay for him, and for me) so yes anything in this withdrawal ease for the sweating? Even if not, im still buying this along with some other stuff i heard helps, dear god im happy i came here before trying the SUBS, theyre advertised as being detox help with absolutely no withdrawal, how could doctors say that and it not be true , thank god i came here first, i cant imagine going through WD for weeks, ive been through it, and ill admit , not to detox, but because i couldnt get any, thanksgiving looks like DDAY for me, thankfullly, ive been strong enough to have been tapering for a while, and im even saving up for an running machine thing, thanks so much “guy who knows all”, you really put everything i needed to hear out there, and hes right, stay away from the boards, those things depressed me and made me feel like i never want to quit. i love you man!

    • HI TVZ,
      I am a 36 year old female who had had my (more than fair) share of opiods, and am almost out of the woods so to speak. I have been taking small amounts of Subutex for over a year and have not touched any opiods for almost 2 years. I have had a lot of withdrawals before, and sweating was one of my issues too. I tried drinking a tall glass of room temp or slightly chilled water, and it definitely helps. whenever you start the hot flash, drink a glass of water, maybe like up to 6 per day, not more than that. I promise it helps!!!! good luck and stay strong woman!!!! :)

  20. My husband and I have been addicted to opiates for 3 years. We have tried several times to “cold turkey” it but we have 7 children and don’t have the time to be sick. We typically make it about 2 to 3 days and turn right back to the drugs. We are desperately ready to quit. The mental and allergy symptoms are what makes me give up and the sweats and sleepless nights are what push him over the edge. We are getting ready to order your product and hope so much that it gives us the help to get us through,

  21. i am 66 with chronic pain and my choice is opiates rather than life in severe pain. you are correct in saying opiates are what works best for pain. now—–what to do about tolerance?

    • Hi Don. Yes, you are correct and I am a staunch supporter of responsible use of opioids for acute pain. Frankly nothing touches opiates for severe pain. There are many, many folks out there like yourself who have chronic pain and I do not mean to suggest that you should not take your medicine simply because it is an opiate. If your prescribing physician is well versed in pain management for chronic pain, they will take tolerance into the equation; they must. As you know, tolerance happens whether you misuse opiates or not. Therefore, your pain from any type of illnesses (ie. fibromyalgia) or acute injury will continue to get worse unless you make adjustments to dose. There may come a time when your doctor decides that a medication change is required. For instance many doctors recommend fentanyl patches for sufferers of chronic pain since it is easy to monitor and more difficult to abuse.

      Withdrawal-Ease is specifically for people who no longer need pain medication and are anxious to get through their detox process as comfortably as possible. I am the first to admit that there are many folks who need these medicines and perhaps require them for the rest of their lives. If taken as directed and managed correctly, I don’t see anything wrong with that. Given the choice between chronic pain and physical, opiate dependence, I would choose opiate dependence.

  22. Hi George,
    I’ve been on Percocet now for 3 years and I just recently. Ive been tapering off now for a week I’ve been taking 7.5mg Percocet 2x day. One in the morning and one at night I feel fine but I feel like im stuck and can’t go any lower. I really want to get off any advise. Will I have heavy withdrawls?

    • Dear Maria,

      Good question. Before I answer, I want to congratulate you on coming this far. The hardest part about much of this is taking that first step and that is certainly the case with tapering. Convincing yourself to lower your dose for the first time can be scary. As you know, once you get used to the prospect of have less each day it becomes easier.

      Having said that, it’s becomes difficult when you’ve tapered down to the point where you fear that you cannot go any further and I have a good tips for this type of situation. First of all, like I discuss in the post, tapering is essential to reducing the impact of your withdrawal symptoms so I always encourage folks to do it however and whenever possible.

      As far as your situation is concerned, you are now at 2 pills twice a day; taking one of those out of the equation is a 50% drop in dose and will probably put you into some mild withdrawal. It’s not just a matter of lowering your dose; you also have to “trick your brain” into thinking it’s getting what it wants which is why you might consider doing the following:

      Keep the same schedule of one dose in the AM and one dose in the PM. However, try to shave/cut (don’t cut fingers or arm off!) your morning pill and your night pill down a little bit every day or two. Perhaps cut the pill by 1/3 in the morning on the first day, then cut the PM pill the next day. Then keep cutting down the pills day by day so that you continue to have the same dose schedule but each time the dose is a little bit smaller. This will help you reduce your dose without having to cut out a complete dose in the AM or PM. Does this make sense? I would continue doing this until you get to about 1/3 of a pill in the AM and PM which should be a good jump off point. I hope this helps you and others taper. It will make a big difference.

      -George

  23. Wow ! I have been reading from this site for the past two hours and I feel like I already have it licked. I do the pills to get high and am not in any pain. Been about two years. I’m tapering to 2 30 mg roxy per day and am buying your product Monday. Then 1 30 per day for 4 days and I think I can do this in one to two weeks depending on how my body reacts with low doses. Haven’t experience bad withdrawal YET as I never go more than one day without. I’m ready and am sure glad I found your site !

  24. Hi george,
    I’m on 15 mg daily of methodone and want off of everything. I ve read many many times that suboxene is easier to get off of so I was going to switch first to suboxene and then detox by tapering with your product. What would you do…stay on methodone and taper or switch and taper.
    Please advise I a m soooo confused.
    Thank you, jt

    • A tough one JT.

      I get this question a lot. Just to be clear, there are 2 kinds of “Suboxone Detox” methods. The first method includes complete cessation of your current meds/opiates until you are in full withdrawal. Once in withdrawal and your opiate receptors have been “cleared” then Suboxone can be administered effectively to reduce the withdrawal symptoms. The prescribing physician will start you off at a relatively high dose and then wean you down over the course of 2 weeks or so. you will have some residual withdrawal symptoms but as far as a simple detox, this is the best way to take Suboxone.

      The second method is long-term Suboxone maintenance which is what many physicians are electing to do right now. Why? the argument is the fact that Suboxone will effectively block any opiates that you take (which can also cause precipitated withdrawals) and it also can help reduce cravings. Faced with the alternative of methadone, most doctors feel that this long term therapy is the “lesser of two evils”. Having said that, most people will eventually want to get off of Suboxone and the withdrawal symptoms can last a long time. Although they may not be as acute as full agonist opiate withdrawals (many would debate this), the length of the detox can be very uncomfortable.

      If you are not at a high risk for relapse, you may want to consider the short term Suboxone detox or simply detox at home with W-E. Long term Suboxone may be preferable to methadone because you can avoid the unsavory aspects of methadone clinics and cannot really “abuse” Suboxone because it does not produce much of a “high”. In my opinion, long term Suboxone therapy should only be undertaken if you are at a high risk for relapse or if you are doing copious amounts of street drugs, shooting up and/or are a menace to society (criminal). For the “garden variety” opiate dependent person, I would try to detox from everything and then get counseling if need be to keep any cravings at bay.

  25. Hi George, Heres my problem. Got hooked on first percocet and then tramadol and so went to a detox specialist who went the tapering with suboxone route with me. Heres the problem, The first week they always give you a little too much so you are enjoying the “taper.” But when you go back in 2 weeks, they start taking you off too fast so you have some left over from last script so you add in another gram or 2 a day so your not in pain. But the thing is, me and I bet Im far from the ninority is that when we are sick and tired of being sick and tired, we are at a point where the dose we tell the DR we are on, is already not working well anymore and you are ready for an increase, not a decrease. So why dont they let you increase it as my doc did inadvertantly, but, then make the titrate down almost imperceptable in the beginning. Here is what happened when I tried it on my own, not listening to the doc who would have had me off in 4 months. By the 2nd or 3rd week, even if you dont titrate you are feeling depressed(to say the least) anyway just because of the tolerance you are building up, so how do you ever slowly get off a drug that slowly needs more and more for your body to feel the same effect? And why not titrate from the same drug you were stuck on, not suboxone, unless you really need the bupenephrine? I muself have found when they gave me aminos and GABA AND htp5, it all reads great in medical reports, in theory, but in real life, none of that helped me.(dont know about anyone else) Heeeeeelp!!!!!

    • Hi Marc. It’s a quandary indeed. Even though we have a guide to Suboxone detox that includes a lengthy taper, the detox process from Suboxone varies from person to person. Most people who enlist for the short term Suboxone detox do pretty well but many tend to stay on it for too long and then feel stuck. I suspect that you are the latter. Many people believe that “going back to the one that brung ya” like Percs or vicodin is the answer. Perhaps this may work well for some people but the brain is fickle and may not buy into your bait and switch. The other issue is that you need to wait until the Suboxone is completely out of your system before taking any opiates or you could experience withdrawal symptoms.

      You need to be very careful about going back to old meds because tolerance may have dropped and you could end up hurting yourself. I’m ALL for anything that works in this respect but it really needs to be administered by a physician. I’m not so diluted as to think that a doctor is involved for many folks here but I’m just citing best case scenario. You just need to be very cautious.

      There’s also something to be said for coming to grips with the fact that “the party is over” and tapering is not meant to keep you “shimmery” up until the last moment. That’s where people get stuck during their taper. At the onset of a taper, you have to feel comfortable with the fact that you are not going to get that euphoric feeling anymore and you are now in a different phase of your recovery. Tapering is ultimately the concept of giving the brain just enough to keep it from going into withdrawal. No more, no less. At that point the strategy is to slowly lower your intake as your brain adjusts to smaller and smaller amounts of the drug. I may have gotten off topic here but I’m using this forum to address some of the other questions that may come up with Suboxone.

      I hope that this helped. I don’t have a definitive answer for you and I’m sorry but it’s a murky subject at best.

  26. Hi George, Here is my problem. I got hooked on perscription drugs first.Then one thing led to another in & out of different rehabs. I finally learned about suboxones after finding the right doctor he put me on Suboxone & i was on them for 3 yrs I didn’t have any major side effects things were good. I had a relapse in October 13, 2010 & I made a stupid mistake & I went on Methadone which I’m regreting.

    Well George, This is my real problem. I have been on Methadone for 3 yrs now & I have been tapering off. I went from 130mg to 7 mg but the more I come down the more I feel even worse. I’m currently on a hold with my dose at my Methadone clinic this was the nurses advice. I just really want to be completly finished with my Methadone. I have been through withdrawl before & it really sucks.

    I’m really thinking about ordering your Withdrawl medicine but I’m not sure what to do. Please please I need your advice. I’m a married mother of 6 & my husband is working all of the time. Being sick is not an option to me .

    I just wish my husband was more compassionate toward me. He is not an addict so I guess he really doesn’t understand what I’m going through or how I’m feeling.

    I really just want to live a sober life & be a good mom to my kids.

    • Dear Stacey,

      I’m so sorry that you have gone through this. It’s especially unfortunate that your husband cannot help you emotionally or physically. you need that more than ever right now…”in sickness and in health” right???

      Nevertheless, you are determined to do something about your methadone intake and I’m happy to give you my advice. We have an article called How To Detox From Methadone and it has a bit of a different tapering strategy than the normal methadone taper that clinics recommend..if they do that at all.

      Most clinics and doctors recommend taking your dose down by a consistent dose (i.e. 2 mgs per week). I disagree because that increases your overall taper exponentially as you decrease your dose. If you are having symptoms as you taper then it’s not worth tapering because you are prolonging your agony. What we recommend is starting at a comfortable dose that presents little to no withdrawal symptoms; a comfortable dose. then we recommend reducing your dose by 15% as you taper. This will keep the taper relatively consistent as you reduce your dose. Take a look at the article link that I put up top. If you have any questions, please give us a shout at info@withdrawal-ease.com

      Hang in there Stacey, your heart and mind are in the right place; you just need a bit of help and support. Turn that guilt into some determination ok?

  27. I don’t understand how dr. can prescribe these medications knowing how difficult they are to get off of. Most doctors don’t even tell you you could have difficulty with withdrawal and they seems to never try to help!. Makes me furious!! I refuse to take any medication that you have to be withdrawn from I have been on some sort of pain medication for years. I had a horrible ski accident damaged 4 vertebra in my next which now are causing budging discs and arthritis, lost a lot of strength in my left are and it always hurts. I also have a lot of GI problems (which are painful) as well as starting my menopause. I am currently taking the Fentanyl Patch 100 which you change ever 72 hrs, but I was having difficulty after 48 hours, withdrawal symptoms & pain would start. I mentioned this to my dr. & she never gave me any support or help on what to do on the 3rd day before I start a new patch. Then after starting the new patch after the 72 hours if would take like 1/2 a day for me to start to feel better. Every time I went to my pain management dr. I would tell her the same thing & she never did anything to help me. My husband & I said enough is enough, I think I would rather feel the pain then these horrible withdrawal symptoms! I went to 50 for 2 weeks, which was horrible. I think in those 2 weeks I maybe had 1 or 2 good days. Since been back to Dr. & told her I want OFF, she then gives me 1 week of 25 and 1 week of 7. I said to her don’t you think that is quick? No reply from her! I then asked can you give me something to help with the withdrawal? Very reluctantly she gave me a few vicadan to help with the painful days and some ativan for the anxiety. But aren’t I just starting addicting medication all over again? These dr’s have no clue so frustrating. It seems though my life has been put on hold for months now.

    I am very interested in your product & would like to order it. Just a question would I start using them as soon as I receive them as I am withdrawing from the Fentanyl? Is it ok to take vicadan & ativan while on this supplement?
    Thank you so much for help, Debby Cianfaglione

    • Hi Debby. Thanks for the comment and the inquiry. I’m sure a lot of people here can relate to your story. “Pain management” is a very apt description of these types of practices now. They are a booming business because they “manage” and have no plan to actually “resolve” pain. So you get stuck on them and they require full compliance on visits or NO meds. There are plenty of good reasons to have strict policies for the meds but it’s easy to see why they have a consistent and wide patient base.

      I would begin taking the Withdrawal Ease as soon as you get it since you are detoxing right now. We have not had any reports of interactions with any medications and there are a lot of customers on anti-anxiety medications. I’m really sorry that you are going through this Debby. There’s no “right answer” which is frustrating. If you still have pain and you are in the process of detoxing, you may want to pay a visit to your primary care doctor.

      This is a suggestion for most of you out there who are in a similar situation as Debby’s. The only person that does not directly benefit from you being in pain or taking meds is your Primary Care physician. What I mean by that is: your primary care doc will be able to give you objective advice and take a look at the entire situation. They will be able to decide which meds and course of treatment are best for you as opposed to a specialist who only has one “tool”.

      If you have a good one, trust your Primary Care doc in these situations.

  28. I was on 10mlgm roxycodone every 8 hours and I got a new doctor and she really doesnt seem to care enough to talk with me bout how I feel I went in and she decided to cut my prescription to a 5mlgm every 8 hours and I think I’m going to get withdrawals. Is this safe? The pharmacy told me it is a little dramatic and I’m really nervous. What are the signs and what should I do see another doctor? I have been on them for 3 years and never complained and now she wants to treat me like a Ginnie pig and I dont like it or her. I’m not she what I can do legally because I signed an agreement and in Mn I’m not allowed to “doctor shop” that I can’t go to another doctor. Im just worried I’m going to go thru withdrawal. Please help.

    • Hi Christy. Cutting your dose in half is a bit rash but that is typical of doctors these days. they get scared and do not give patients the opportunity to taper because it’s a “pain” for them to write a script that tapers meds. so in the end they just cut the dose; it’s easier for them.

      As far as your withdrawals, if you cut your dose on the 11th then you have already gone through any withdrawal you may have had. It will settle down once the body adjusts. I’m sorry that you are going through this but you might consider being proactive and start to taper. you will have to get off of the pills at some point so why not start before you are “forced” to by your doctor? That would be my advice; you need to be in control.

  29. I would like to say thanks. 13 back surgeries in 15 yrs. Have been on, well, you can guess, how much of what for all that time. Plan is, w/M.D.taper w/Rental, then Sub. You make a lot of sense. Think I’ll give ya a shot. Been thru it. NEVER AGAIN! Nothing worse than opiate withdrawal. Sunday tomorrow. Probably order. Again, thanks.

  30. I found your website because I want to help my husband. He has been smoking OxyContin for a few years and came to me for help. He is now on Suboxone 8 mg. He takes 1/2 one a day. I am considering buying your product. But I would like a suggestion. He hasn’t done any pills for a month now, but he really wants to get off Suboxone

    Thank you so much

  31. Hi George, I forgot to tell you that I take Ativan, 2 mg every night for 5 years now for anxiety and sleep issues. Can these help me with quitting my Subutex for good? thank you so much for your advice, it is very much appreciated, I have no one to talk to about this! God Bless you! THANK YOU!!

  32. Ashamed says:

    This site gives me so much HOPE. I am scared b/c I don’t get scripts from a doctor. My mother was dying and I was her care taker. I was recovering from drug addiction until my mom became my responsibility and w/a 4 year old daughter to take care of as well. I am down to one pill. A 30mg morphine. I tapered from 90mg so far. Yes, I do wake up around 5:00 am lately and need to take 30. My cousin is going to help me out with his meds until I can taper down more to the “jump off” point. I went through WD’s before many, many years ago and I am scared to death and very ashamed I put myself in this situation. My mother is w/the Lord now and it’s time to deal w/my sin. It helped me take care of EVERYTHING before, but now (even then) I need to do life on life’s term. My cousin has 15mg and I have no idea how many he will give me. I am SO determined to quit and as George said “get me back”. A happier person. I know 15mg most likely will not be enough, but I am in a situation that I have no choice. Whatever my cousin gives me is most likely all I will have to help. I’m praying for God’s mercy and grace. God bless you all and we can do this! Open to suggestions. TY all for your comments and for George and all his energy put forth to help other’s. God bless you George.

  33. Mark Smith (Not real name) says:

    I have a recommendation…. post taper spreadsheets – each one a function of beginning daily dose (e.g. 90 mg vicodin/day, etc.). Then have successful people fill in the tapering schedule they followed and then average the results with a listed standard deviation +=- 2 days or mg/day etc. This would be invaluable information and usable as a credible resource to physicians? Just sayin…

    • Hi Mark. You’re on the right track there. In fact, we are working on a “Tapering App” that will use standard tapering rates based on dose and medication to put together a personalized tapering plan. It will be able to give reminders, keep people on track and have a lot of other functionality. I think it’s going to be a valuable tool for our visitors and customers. Stay tuned.

  34. Donna Neuman says:

    Sorry for the typos I am just crying and desparate for help. I can’t even text properly anymore. I can’t organize my house as we just moved up for the downstairs basement and my ex thinks I’m fine to remodel the basement on my own. Little does he know I’m drug dependent and can’t even find my electric bill. This crap has me in such a fog I can’t do daily simple things and pretend to be fine but everyone asks if I’m okay. Its obvious I’m not myself. I am moody and also in menopause and this alone has been hell. Put menopause along with opiate addiction and its the perfect storm. As a mom and a career woman I never dreamed my husband would leave and now I have to run the house on my own. He says well go back to work ! Fix the apartment and rent it! I have two kids 6 and 8 and I a so busy with them I have no time . I just keep taking these stupid pills to get through the day and I don’t need to be on them anymore. I am sorry for writing so much but I came across your site and its the first time I feel hope that Incan do this but as I said I am broke and can’t afford it so I am humbly asking for a helping hand and I promise to pay it back and forward. I want to start ASAP. Today I am begining my tapering and hope I can get your product as i can’t function with the teribble withdrawals. I have a pill box that will help me taper and keep track of when to take my doses. I know I won’t feel good so Inwant to have my sons at dads when I get off and go through the detox time. I have tried to speak to my doctor and she just wants to cut it all in half so I said no. I will taper myself without her help. I can do this but I know I need your help and product . When I read how so many have gotten off these pills with your help I am so happy. God bless you and your product and I want to get on this next week ASAP. I pray you call me as I emailed my phone number to you or at least respond. I called and left a message as well. Sorry I am so ready to start and need to be back in my life again. Thanks for this site!

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