How to Detox From Suboxone at Home

How to plan and conduct a successful detox from Suboxone at home.

By George Catlin, CEO of Withdrawal Ease

In the following post, I’m going to do my best to explain how to detox from Suboxone at home. It CAN be done.

image of suboxone strips and tablets

To be perfectly honest, I’m shocked at the amount of people who are looking for some solution or way out of their long term Suboxone use. I even went onto Google and looked up the average number of searches for “Suboxone withdrawal” as opposed to “opiate withdrawal” and the numbers are similar. Amazing. Roughly 25% of my visitors are people who are desperate to detox from Suboxone more comfortably from home. For the purposes of clarity, Suboxone is the brand name for a combination of Buprenorphine and Naloxone which is now available in generic form as a sublingual tablet, film or patch.

As opposed to some of my other posts on Suboxone, I’m not going to discuss the injustice, the greed or why I think it’s over-prescribed. I’ve already said and done that. My goal in this post is to provide a systematic way for people to plan and conduct a successful, home detox from Suboxone after prolonged use. Of course, I should note that if you are doing well on the drug and feel no reason to be off of it then by all means, stay on it. I should say the same thing about opiates; if they are working and you are taking as directed for real pain then that is fine unless doctor recommends otherwise. Suboxone is technically indicated for pain but it is a pretty poor pain reliever since it is not a full agonist opiate.

I realize that many of you out there who would literally give your left arm to be off of Suboxone (for me it would be the right arm since I’m left handed so I need it more). I feel strongly that if you want to be off of a drug and it’s not serving a vital purpose such as keeping you alive then you should have the right to be off of it. People should be able to make a choice as to whether or not they want to be on Suboxone. If one cannot stop taking a drug due to withdrawal there’s no freedom there. That’s called enslavement.

So the normal disclosures apply for this article as the other content that I write. I’m not a doctor and do not profess to be trained or licensed in any clinical field. I have been on Suboxone and I have spoken to thousands of Suboxone users, clinicians, Suboxone salespeople and just about every other type of person that is somehow affected by Suboxone. The method that I will describe below is directly related to those conversations along with my own personal experience with the drug. It has not been vetted by any clinical trials, endorsed by the FDA, AMA or the makers of Suboxone (clearly). This is just a step by step description of what I would do if I had been on Suboxone for an extended period of time (over 4-6 months) and wanted to detox from it as comfortably as possible.

Hopefully, some people will find this useful as they try to detox from Suboxone at home.

Suboxone Detox Introduction

There are a LOT of pet notions and conspiracy theories about Suboxone out there, and the first thing that I want to do is dispel them so that you can calm down and not worry so much. Worry leads to panic, and panic makes detox a lot worse. Panic and anxiety can only harm you.

It’s not rotting your brain, causing permanent liver damage, making you impotent, rotting your teeth, or any of the other horror stories that you may read on message boards on the web. I have asked clinicians who have no affiliation with Suboxone whatsoever and they have assured me that there’s no evidence that any permanent damage can be caused. Stay off of the message boards! All you are doing is making your eventual detox worse. Ultimately, there’s no research out there to indicate that Suboxone will do any permanent damage to you (other than the psychological trauma of trying to actually quit).

There’s a perfectly reasonable explanation why Suboxone is hard to detox from. I’m not going to go into the chemistry or physiology of it because it would be boring and hard to understand. Essentially, Suboxone detox is more difficult for some because it takes longer. Period. Does that make it worse? Sure! It sucks! But that’s really the only difference that I can tell having spoken to thousands of people and clinicians about the subject.

So why does it take so long to detox from Suboxone? Well for one thing, Suboxone occupies your opiate receptors quite vigorously and is clinically engineered to remain there in order to block other opiates from having any effect. So Suboxone has a much longer “half life” than other “full agonist” opiates. The “half life” (as you may know) is the time it takes for a drug to reduce its concentration in your bloodstream by 50%. A drug with a longer half life typically takes longer to detox from. That’s why some people detoxing from Suboxone may experience withdrawal symptoms for longer periods of time than withdrawal from Vicodin or Percocet. This is also why people complain so much about Suboxone withdrawal because withdrawal symptoms are ALWAYS uncomfortable. If the withdrawal lasts longer, then the perception that they are worse makes exquisite sense. It’s almost as if the maker of Suboxone wanted to make the perfect drug for withdrawal. Which brings me to the symptoms of Suboxone withdrawal.

Are the symptoms more acute than regular opiate withdrawal symptoms? Well that all goes back to the length of time and perception thing. I don’t see any evidence that would suggest that Suboxone withdrawal symptoms are any more acute (or intense) than other withdrawal symptoms. And remember, I’ve been on both and detoxed off of both. If anything, evidence suggests that the symptoms are milder — not more acute — than full agonist opiate withdrawal symptoms.

Everybody reacts to drug detox differently. Some people have terrible restless legs, others have horrible sweats and still others have really horrible stomach issues. Suboxone seems to cause all of the common opiate withdrawal symptoms that people experience with Vicodin or other opiates however, some symptoms do seem to rise to the top: depression and insomnia are the two symptoms that I hear most about. For me personally, those are two of the worst ones. Not only are they uncomfortable in their own ways, but they also have the ability to extend the detox period in my opinion. If you aren’t sleeping and you are depressed all of the time, withdrawal can seem to last forever. I’m a BIG believer in the mind’s influence over withdrawal symptoms and Suboxone definitely pushes the right buttons.

The other issue that is often associated with Suboxone detox is called “Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome” a.k.a. PAWS. PAWS is essentially the residual symptoms from the acute phase of withdrawal that can last for a while. PAWS can be particularly acute for long-term alcoholics and those dependent benzodiazepines like Xanax. This syndrome usually manifests itself in the form of depression, lethargy, insomnia, short term memory loss and anxiety — just to name a few. It’s also theorized that PAWS can be exacerbated by periods of stress and strenuous activity such as a busy work schedule. As is the case with the Suboxone acute detox phase, the PAWS from Suboxone withdrawal can last longer than PAWS from opiate withdrawal/detox. The truth of the matter is that PAWS is not fully understood therefore it’s almost impossible to say how long it will last for an individual. For most long term Suboxone users that I have talked to, their PAWS usually lasts a month or two and then begins to taper down. The severity is very subjective and varies from person to person.

Am I still on the introduction? Sheesh. Ultimately, there are chemical and psychological processes at work with Suboxone detox that can prolong the detox period and also create the perception that it is more acute…. but again, you have the right to be off of a drug if you so choose. Suboxone withdrawal can take longer than other withdrawals…does that make it worse? Perhaps. But it’s not going to turn you into Shrek or anything…when you detox from it, you’ll be fine.

I’m far from being a stooge or apologist for Reckitt Benckiser Pharmaceuticals but it’s important that you have the facts. It’s important to remain calm, collected and focused on recovery to give yourself the best chance for success. Attitude is everything…as they say. On to the strategy…

Part One: The Strategy:

It’s no revelation by any means but the strategy for Suboxone (sometimes I’ll call Suboxone “Sub” for short) detox requires determination and discipline. Tapering your meds on a strict schedule over a long period of time is not an optional detox strategy here…it IS the strategy. As I discuss in my post called “The Art of Opiate Tapering” , there’s a right way to taper and there’s a wrong way to taper. You must taper Suboxone correctly…no questions, no complaints; that’s the way it’s gotta be.  After the taper you have what is commonly referred to as the “Jump” which is the point in time when you stop taking the drug completely. We’ll work on physical and mental strategies to make sure the Jump is not a big occasion to get all worked up about…you’re in control. My goal for this detox method is to get you to a point where you can make this jump safely at any time. That’s the goal.

Another major part of the strategy is finding your “pharmacist.” I’d like to think that everyone can be disciplined enough to manage their own tapering schedule but that doesn’t always happen and you cannot take the risk of messing up your taper with Suboxone. Please consider having someone who you trust that can dole out your meds; there’s too much at stake and you could drag it on forever and not get anywhere. I know that this might be problematic for some people but I believe it’s almost essential because suboxone is addictive and we do what we do. I wouldn’t trust myself either if that’s any consolation.

Of course this person doesn’t have to be an actual pharmacist but you need someone who is NOT on drugs themselves (an enabler), someone who is trustworthy and most importantly, someone who cares enough about you that they truly want you to succeed. It could be a friend, a family member, a husband/wife, your doctor or even your real pharmacist (after all, they played an active role in your dependency for right or for wrong…they need to man up and help you get off of it!). A pharmacist who cares would do this…and they would do it with impunity. Sure it will be a pain to get your dose from them every time but it’s really that important that you follow the schedule. I’ll be referring to your “pharmacist” throughout the post but I also understand that -for some- this may not be possible. That’s OK but just remember that what I am trying to do here is give you the best possible chance to comfortably and completely detox from Suboxone.

The other issue that is very important to bring up is that this schedule is an outline for a detox strategy. It is not meant for everyone and obviously not everyone is on the same dose that I use as an example in this guide. Therefore, you will have to use the information below and “make it your own” to the extent that you can. If you feel like you don’t need to take as much time as I recommend or, if I am suggesting something that is not applicable to you then feel free to ignore it. I’m just trying to give you the guard-rails for how I might approach the process.

Part Two: Find Your “Pharmacist” and Put Together Your Taper Schedule

As I explained previously, due to the critical nature of the taper schedule that you’ll need to map out, it would be nice to have some help. You’re welcome to try it alone but why leave anything to chance? Heck, -if you have to- tell your friend, “Listen Margaret, I need you to do something for me. If you can help me get off of this medication, I will buy you that Neil Diamond Box Set that you’ve always wanted!”. Maybe a little incentive would grease the skids…so grease the skids. Even if this person can only help you the last couple of weeks, that’s better than nothing.

The job description for your pharmacist is simple: “Give me my medication at exactly the right dose and exactly according to schedule that I give you. Do not deviate from this schedule unless I am clearly in acute withdrawal. I will give you “rescue doses” for those times that I may need it if withdrawal symptoms become acute”.

So hopefully you can find your pharmacist and they are standing by awaiting instructions. Good.

Now you need to put together a taper schedule. As I mentioned earlier on, this schedule is based on some of the fundamentals of the “Art of Opiate Tapering” but with a couple twists thrown in. The goal is to slowly -very slowly- rid your body of its dependence on Suboxone without suffering from acute withdrawal symptoms. After all, what’s the point in tapering if it’s just going to extend the withdrawal? If you need to, go back and read the guide on tapering to get the fundamentals down.  Ultimately, you will have to put your own schedule together; I cannot do it for you. I can only give you an example of how I might do it based on a certain dose.

So lets make it easy and assume that you have been taking 8mg’s or above for over a year. You are now on 8mg’s a day (morning and night at 4mg each) and want to put together your taper schedule. I will give a detailed schedule for this below. Please bear in mind that this is for reference purposes only and as I mentioned, I’m not a trained physician or licensed addiction counselor. By following this schedule I am making the assumption you are of sound mind and will use common sense if you feel you are in danger or endangering someone else. Suboxone withdrawal is not considered life threatening especially if you taper slowly as we recommend here. When you detox from suboxone, depression is really the most potent threat which is another good reason to have someone whom you trust acting as your sounding board. If you have any issues that you are concerned about always contact a doctor. Just be safe and smart.

Part Three: Getting Started

What You Will Need:

  1. Suboxone
  2. A calendar or some sort of schedule program on your computer that you can use to map out your dose schedule
  3. Two empty pill bottles: one marked “Weekly Supply” and the other marked “Rescue Doses”. Both bottle should be strictly in the hands of your “pharmacist” or someplace safe
  4. An X-Acto knife or razor blade for cutting/shaving your pills OR strips
  5. Your “Pharmacist”

Part Four: Sample Suboxone Detox Schedule: From 8mg per Day to Zero in 4-6 Months

The first week of tapering will bring a bit of anxiety because you will be nervous about possible withdrawal symptoms, cravings, pain and all of the other things you worry about when you begin to taper meds. The thing to be cognizant of with suboxone is that the first few milligrams that you taper should have very little effect on you…if done correctly. Keeping that in mind, we’re going to taper more aggressively in the beginning of the schedule than we will at the end of the taper process. Make sure that you make the appropriate adjustments in the dosage as you see fit if you are taking more than 8mg’s per day; perhaps your prescribing physician can work with you on a schedule. As I mentioned, this is just an example of one taper schedule. You may have a different dose and schedule so you’ll need to calculate your own dose. One of the main keys to this strategy is to keep the dose consistent at all times except when you taper down to your next dose level. For instance, if you take your medication once a day then keep doing so; if you are taking it twice a day then you need to keep taking it twice a day until your taper schedule dictates otherwise. Consistency and gentle progression of dose changes are critical; I will emphasize both ad-nauseum.

For the purposes of the demonstration below I’m breaking the doses up into two per day, which is common for people taking 8mg Suboxone per day.

Week 1-Week 2

    1. Lower daily dose from 8mg to 7mg (3.5mg per dose) with a total intake of 98 mg’s over the period of 14 days.


Notes: Take 7, 8mg pills and “shave off” one milligram as I demonstrate in the pictures below. If you are using strips, that’s even easier to cut into the right sizes (see figure below). Make sure to save the pieces from the pills or strips that you cut off and put them into a separate pill bottle that you have cleaned and saved for this occasion. This extra bottle will hold your “rescue doses”

Cutting the Right Doses
With the Suboxone film, you can use a sharp pair of scissors or even some small manicure scissors. The medication in these pieces of film is evenly distributed throughout so your dose will be directly proportionate to the size. I have attached a great image that I found on the web for reference purposes. You can use this image to estimate how much to cut for your specific dose. I’ve tried my best to make the “Dime” in the picture “actual size” but it could be larger or smaller depending on your screen settings. Nevertheless, a good diagram to use when cutting your films.

 The image shows what smaller pieces of Suboxone film look like relative to a dime. An effective detox from suboxone includes tapering. Cutting the Suboxone film into smaller pieces and lowering the dose can help you taper.


If you are still using the sublingual tablets, I would recommend using a straight razor blade, x-acto knife or something else that’s sharp and thin. Suboxone tablets tend to crumble when you try to cut them so the sharper and thinner the tool the better. Be sure to not cut your fingers off in the process! You’re not going to get it exactly right but as you can see in the pictures below, I’ve shaved off one of the corners which I estimate to be about 1 mg each. I could be off by a few fractions but you get the point. This Sub “shaving” method will become increasingly more important as we go along…but don’t worry, you’ll get plenty of practice.

Image of shaving Suboxone for tapering

Use a razor of some sort to shave off some of the tablet. Caaaareful! You just want to cut the Suboxone, not your flesh.

image of 1mg of Suboxone shaved from an 8mg tablet

An 8mg Sublingual Tablet With Approximately 1mg Shaved Off

**Word to The Wise: Did you know that 8mg Suboxone pills are less expensive by milligram than the 2mg pills? So if you can and depending on your insurance make sure that you are paying the least amount by milligram for your Suboxone…although the 2mg pills may be more convenient, the 8mg pills might save you some money. However, since the new generic tabs are out, I’m not quite sure if 2mg are made as regularly. The Suboxone film seems to be the overwhelmingly popular choice now.

  1. Now that you have cut the film or shaved off one milligram and stored it away, repeat this for the other 6 pieces of film or pills and you will have your week’s supply set aside for your “pharmacist” which should be placed in another bottle marked for the week or “Week’s Supply.” Cut the remaining pieces of film or break each of the remaining pills in half and take one half, twice a day as usual. This should be 7mg per day total. Do this for 2 weeks.

What can you expect from the first 2 weeks?: Nothing. Other than the systematic approach that you are taking to decrease your intake of Suboxone, you should not feel any strong withdrawal symptoms going from 8mg to 7mg.

Week 3 – Week 4:

Lower daily dose from 7mg to 6mg (3mg per dose) with a total intake of 84mg over a period of 14 days

  1. Divide either your film or tablets into your weekly supply and hand it over to your “pharmacist”. Keep all doses the same and remember to keep any residual pieces or “shavings” and put them into your “Rescue Dose” container.
  2. Do your best to divide the doses into 2 equal portions for you to take on your schedule. The daytime and the nighttime dose should be equal. I stress this because right now, your body is very dependent on “rewards.” When you receive your dose try not feel as though you’ve been cheated or taking any less than you usually do. The only time you should take a different size dose is when you are stepping down to the next step on your taper. This will help you avoid confusion on your dose and also keep things consistent and calm.

What Can You Expect From Week 3 – Week 4?: Again, probably not much. Perhaps you might have some depression or some days when you are a bit lethargic but acute withdrawal should not be in the cards. This does NOT mean that you are not accomplishing anything however. You are systematically lowering your intake of Suboxone which is significant. Most importantly, you’re making progress and by now hopefully you’ll see that it’s not as bad as you may have anticipated.

Week 5 – Week 6:

6mg down to 5mg with a total intake of 70mg’s over a period of 14 days

  1. Depending on film or tablet you can divide it up into a variety of ways to get to 5mg’s per dose but the rule still applies: keep the dose the same at all times except when you step down to the next taper dose. You want 2.5 mg per dose with a total of 5mg for the day.
  2. It may get tiresome to cut these things up all of the time but the key is to remain consistent.

What can you expect from Week 5 – Week 6? Most likely more of the same. Again, you may have a few bad days here and there but otherwise this should be an easy step down that all comes down to execution.

Week 7 – Week 8:

5mg down to 4mg with a total intake of 56mg over 14 days

  1. The dose should be an easy 2 mg’s per dose so that’s a good thing. You can cut a 2mg section of film, take one 2mg pill per dose or just split the 8’s in half and then again. I find that using the X-Acto knife or razor blade with the 8mg pills works better because the tablets are not “pre-scored” for dividing. In other words, you’ll get unequal doses if you try and divide them with your fingers.

What Can You Expect?: Well you’ve cut your dose down to half and it may surprise you to discover that you’re not really feeling many withdrawal symptoms. That’s because you’re taaaaaapppppeeeerrrring! Remember that tapering is supposed to slowly wean your body off something it is used to having. You are reducing your dose of course but not really diminishing the reward right?

Week 9 – Week 10:

4mg down to 3mg per day (1.5mg per dose) with a total intake of 42mg over a period of 14 days

    1. This is when the scissor and/or knife wielding skills that you’ve learned over the past few weeks really come into play. 1.5mg of Suboxone is a pretty small amount. You may have trouble consistently getting pieces of this size with the tablets so I recommend crushing each tablet and dividing into equal piles of 1mg each. Ditch the “Weekly Dose Bottle” and take one of those pill boxes that “old people have” which has the days of the week sectioned off and put each dose into the different sections. Now this is the point where you are going to have to be really careful to make sure that your doses are as equal as possible. As you taper down and detox from Suboxone, your body will become more sensitive to variations in dose which can lead to withdrawal symptoms.
a pill box with dose schedule for can be helpful for any suboxone detox

Pill Boxes Like This One Are Perfect For Keeping The Very Small Weekly Doses Organized

  1. At this point it’s appropriate to mention that mysterious “rescue dose” that I mentioned previously. By now, you may have lots of bits and pieces of film or pills in your “rescue dose” container and it’s time to divide them into .5mg sections. The rescue dose is going to be doled out by your “pharmacist” if you begin to feel some acute withdrawal symptoms. I’m not just talking about a little lethargy which can be normal; I’m talking about being actually sick which should not happen if you have tapered correctly. But it can happen and it should be addressed by either slowing down the taper or taking one of these rescue doses. If you are having any acute symptoms of withdrawal and your “pharmacist” concurs then take one of these rescue doses and wait at least 3 hours to see if the symptoms subside. This could be due to a whole host of reasons but you’re getting down to a low enough dose where slight variations can cause these symptoms. I use the word “rescue” for a reason too; these are not to be taken daily…they are for emergencies. If your rescue dose becomes a regular dose then you need to start your taper from there and make sure that you keep a better handle on how much you take.

What Can You Expect?: You might start to get a bit tired but you really shouldn’t be feeling any acute withdrawal. What you really SHOULD expect is nothing…nothing at all if you have stuck with it this far. If you have some symptoms, and you really need it then take a “rescue dose”.

The Home Stretch: The Crucial Part of The Taper

Week 11:

3mg per day to 2.5 mg per day

Week 12:

2.5 mg per day to 2mg per day

  1. Try to keep taking 2 doses per day as usual if you can. Right now is not the point to get cavalier or think that you’ve done it…this is a crucial part of the tapering process that most people get wrong. Most people that I talk to get to about 2mg per day and then stop completely…mistake. You will most likely have acute withdrawal if you quit taking Suboxone on 2mg per day. You need to really concentrate on this part of the process because it’s critical. From here on out; you’re playing for keeps with Suboxone and all of this work will be for nothing if you don’t execute the last part of the taper correctly.

Week 13 – Week 14:

2mg per day to 1.5mg per day (.75mg per dose)

  1. By now it will start to get pretty tough to keep those doses evenly divided. As I said before, if you have the tablets, I would recommend taking a rolling pin (for the love of God please wash it after you use it!) and some plastic wrap or a ziplock baggie to hold the pill when you crush it. Normal pill crushers sometimes do a pretty good job but they only do so much and you’re going to need the Suboxone to be a consistent powder.

**Word to The Wise about the 1mg tablet doses: When you get down to very small amounts of powdery substance at this dose, I would divide the 1 mg piles as best as you can into the “pill holder that old people have”, then take a straw and carefully suck the proper dose into your mouth. Don’t breathe in too hard or you might inhale it; just put the straw under your tongue (you might also consider cutting the straw to make it shorter) and suck it into the “sublingual” space under your tongue. This will take some practice because it’s a bit awkward but you’ll get the hang of it.

Week 15 – Week 16:

1.5mg per day to 1mg per day with a total intake of 14mg’s over 14 days

  1. This part of the taper represents the first major shift in the schedule that you’ve had since you started tapering. We will be going from 2 doses a day to one. If you take your dose in the morning and at night then start taking your 1mg dose in the middle of the day or some other time that you do not associate with taking your meds. It’s important to change your dose to a totally different time than either of your dose periods before. You want to know why? Because your body has become so used to the 2 doses and your mind has been conditioned to get “rewarded” twice a day.  We need to break that habit. By changing your dose time completely, you no longer associate those other times with taking your medicine and perhaps don’t feel “neglected” when you have to give up that one dose. Does this make sense?
  2. If you feel any symptoms, use a rescue dose and make sure to give the medicine time to work…I know you may be uncomfortable but that doesn’t mean that you have to stuff your mouth full of pills to feel better. Just take the .5mg and see if it helps…it should.

Week 17:

.75mg per day, once a day for a total of 5.25 mg’s over 7 days

Week 18- Week 19:

.5mg per day for a total of 7mg over 14 days

The last few weeks of the Suboxone taper are the most crucial. This is also the time when your “pharmacist” earns their keep because you may feel a bit fatigued or have some mild withdrawal symptoms but they have to be firm with you. If you have not been able to get someone to help you with the taper process then you’ll need to be extra vigilant and stay on top of your schedule at this point. I cannot stress enough how important this stage of the taper is.

Week 20:

.5mg every other day.

Week 21- Week 22:

.5mg every 3rd day

Week 23 – Week 24:

Take .5 mg once per week with one .5mg “rescue dose” available if symptoms become acute.

Week 25 – :

At this point, you’ve made it to what I would define as a “safe” jump off point. Set a jump date and stick to it so that you do not prolong the taper process any further than you might need to. Of course, only you can be the judge for when you might be most comfortable to completely stop. Overall, by doing this taper process, you have gradually let your body acclimatize to the absence of Suboxone. This should reduce your discomfort and help you detox from suboxone with less difficulty and pain.

Nothing is foolproof but tapering has always been a proven commodity and Suboxone is no exception. Of course, this is just a roadmap and there are going to be deviations. Everyone is going to react differently to dose schedules, reductions in dose and other strategies in this plan. Perhaps you need less time to accomplish the same reduction and perhaps you need more time. What I have tried to do is give you the basic structure of a detox from Suboxone based on the unique properties of the drug.

I have spoken with hundreds and hundreds of people who have detoxed from Suboxone and I can say with certainty that everyone will respond differently to the process. Nevertheless, the general principle remains: a slow taper is the best way to detox from Suboxone. The most important fact that you must remind yourself throughout the process is that you will recover after you detox. Withdrawal is never permanent and the symptoms will go away with time.

What To Expect Going Forward

Whew! That was a long process eh? Well I wasn’t kidding when I said that it would take a long time but it doesn’t have to take a LOT of your time if you get the point. That’s why its crucial to get your schedule done before you start so it just becomes habit to look at your schedule and adjust your dose accordingly.

I do know how difficult this process may seem and I’m so sorry if you have to go through it. I wouldn’t recommend it if I didn’t think it was important. If you discuss this with your doctor and they claim to have a better strategy then by all means, listen to them. Based on my experience, this is the most comfortable way to detox from Suboxone. I truly hope that this has helped you and that you can get some freedom.

It’s always important to make sure that you have other parts of your recovery in mind. This is just a detox process and not a life long cure for opiate or Suboxone addiction. You may require psychotherapy or group therapy to help with cravings and I wholeheartedly encourage you to do so if any of those programs help you. This will be the beginning of your recovery and not the end. Hopefully, by following this process you will be able to significantly reduce the intensity of your detox from Suboxone.

Please send me any comments, concerns, questions or ideas at I would love to have your feedback!

“Semper D’uro” (Latin trans: Stay Hard)
Disclaimer: I am not a licensed physician or addictionologist. The information has been written using knowledge gathered by myself from a variety of sources including but not limited to: Suboxone patients, clinicians who prescribe Suboxone, licensed professionals in addiction treatment and recovery, clinical literature, personal experience and other published information on suboxone and drug cessation. This post is for reference purposes only and should not be considered medical fact or the “standard of clinical care” for Suboxone detox. The makers of Suboxone have not been asked to comment or contribute to this post. The detox methods that I use including “shaving off” or cutting up Suboxone are considered “off-label use” and are not recommended by the makers of Suboxone as far as I know. As I mention in the post, it’s always best to consult your primary or attending clinician before attempting a detox like this and -if possible- get their approval and participation.

Updated 5/2016


  1. God bless this website….all the information is right on target. Thank you. I think you know the amount of people who’s lives you are saving…..both literally and literally!

  2. Thanks for the very kind words John! Ultimately, people who endure detox have to save their own lives…we just try to give them the tools to do it a little bit easier. That’s the hope.

  3. I am a 22 year old female that is trying to get off suboxone. I have only been on Sub for 3 months and some odd days and I am still experiencing difficulty getting rid of this medication. At first I thought it was the “Merical Drug” but now that I am realizing my Dr. didn’t do me any kind of a favor! I wasn’t a longterm drug user to begin with. I was on opiates for not even a year. I have been supposed to take 2/8mg tablets a day but because it is so expensive I have had a hard time keeping up with that dose for the past couple of months. So I have been slowly lowering myself. I wish I would have came across your website sooner as tomorrow is my first day with no Sub. I wish everyone out that the best of luck detoxing off Suboxone. It is going to be one of the hardest things you will do and thats coming from a not so longterm user. After all, if it were the “Merical Drug” the withdrawal’s would come as a Merical as well!

  4. That’s just what I’m talking about with Sub. Brittany. You were on opiates for ONE year and your doctor could have just let you detox off of them. But no, he decided it would be better for you to be addicted to a more expensive drug that’s also more addictive and has a more problematic detox…bravo!

    So sorry to hear about this Brittany. Keep your chin up; there are many people who contact me and say that their detox symptoms are not so bad if they taper correctly; it sounds like you’ve made a good effort.

  5. so glad I found this,the problem is that I am taking 16 mg. any advice? THANK YOU!!!!

  6. Hi Mike. I would follow the same schedule but perhaps make more aggressive jumps in dose in the first part of the taper. Or you could extend it a little longer in order to compensate for the higher daily dose. The 8mg per day is just what I used and the timeline is meant to be just a guideline. If you follow the basic principles, I think you will do just fine. The key is slow, consistent taper on a very strict schedule.


  7. George,

    Thank you for such an insiteful and useful website. For any readers out there, you should not notice withdrawls titrating from 24mg, 16mg, or more down to 8mg. The important part is from 8mg on down. This site is right on the money.

    Thanks again.

  8. I have been on Suboxone 16mgs a day for over 2 years. I cut myself down to 8mgs a day in Nov. I started taking 6 mgs a day 2 weeks ago. My current Doctor wants me to cut 2 mgs a week until I’m off completely. He obviously does not understand how difficult the withdrawals are. Since I have been on this medication way longer then I was supposed to I think he is trying to rush me off of it now. Any advise? I am a mother of 3 small children and am going through hell.

  9. wow, i went through a 5 day “detox” for opiod dependancy about 4 years ago, which was horrible, i had severe withdraw,they gave me subutex, i felt great, came home, was a new woman, yea right, for about 2 days. (i had been addicted to pain killers for about 3 years prior) i have really been a sucker, i had to find a dr. to prescribe suboxne, (which i had never heard of untill detox), and started seeing him almost 4 years ago, i have no insurance, 2 teenage boys and married for 20 years, i had finally maxed out my “rehab” credit card at $16,000.00 dollars, YES 16 THOUSAND, and could not afford to see him this month on time, they wouldnt call me in any to hold me, with no compassion, they said it was because of new laws, they couldnt call in any controlled substance if i wasnt seen in the office first, so here i am, reading this, in shock, i had tried to taper down myself due to this prolonged expense and just knowing this has went on way to long, but this dr. of mine has had me on 8 mg suboxone 3 x a day…..for almost 4 years now..i started taking subutex about a year ago because its a little cheaper, is that really any dfferent? im really scared at this point and im so upset with my dr. for just everything, he never tried to taper me off, i admit im a bit naive, but i honestly had no idea what i was getting myself into, my dr. told me it would have to be on suboxne the same length i was addicted to the pain killers for this to work , well im a year longer on these now although i have been taking only 2 a day for a year on my own accord to make my script last me longer and trying to taper myself, but i had no idea it would be this hard, finding this website has been a real wakeup call, but i see i still have a long road ahead, i guess for the sake of money i will give this so called dr. another 175.00 to get my script rather then finding a new dr. and forking out even more cash that i dont have, and really try to make this work i love your advise, i wish i had seen this much much sooner….thank you, jenni

  10. Hi Lisa. The post that you have read above is my advice. I’m so sorry that you have to deal with the children as you are going through this. If you ask your doctor to perhaps consider slowing down the tapering process, do you think he will respond favorably? A lot of clinicians are not up to speed on how long it takes to get off of this stuff.

  11. George…..

    I am 65 and have been very successful in spite of life long addictions…I have been addicted to some form of opiates on and off since I was 16 from main lining heroin to amphetamines to cocaine to crack to methadone. I’ve been in detox 7 different times; been in AA and NA many times over many decades when 21/2 years ago I thought I’d found the answer with subutex…NOT….I have tried desperately to ween off this garbage with an idiot Doctor who I think was actually trying to help me but didn’t know what he was talking about…when I told him I had weened down to as little as 1/10th of a milligram 2 times a day and I’m not exaggerating; he merely said some of his other patients also had problems getting off that last little bit…No shit…I have previously gotten to this point weening 6 different times and got as far as going 8 days with nothing however the withdrawal seemed to be getting worse not better….I really thought I was losing my mind in that I could not ever understand how I could reduce this much and go through so much agony…For me it’s not the level of discomfort( I have cold turkeyed literally hundreds of times); it’s the length of the withdrawal that eventually begins to mentally weaken you until you finally give up….I take subutex vs. suboxone because it’s much easier to cut the doses into such small amounts….Your tapering schedule is the first time that I realize I’m not out of my mind and that someone out there really understands…My question is: Considering the very small amounts I am taking (40% of one milligram per day) at what point would you suggest me entering your tapering schedule…I am thinking the week before you suggest reducing your doses per day to one…then reduce to 30% of one milligram once per day…what do you think?…I cannot begin to tell you what a relief your info has been…thank you from the bottom of my heart…I think you helping a great number of people like myself who really want to get off all this stuff but didn’t know how to do it and were doing it all wrong…Richie

  12. I have been taking 16 mg a day of Subutex for 4 years. Both Me
    and my life partner want me to get off..he’s seen me acting like an addict about this medication, which I went on to detox from a Vicodin addiction.

    I definitely got a certain high as soon as I started taking it. I actually felt guilty for a few days thinking, wait, I’m not supposed to be enjoying a euphoria I’m supposed to be detoxing from a secret opiate addiction. I got over that one quickly.

    I’ve gone through periods without insurance, and that made me feel and behave like any other street addict. I did whatever I had to do to get the 600.00 a month it cost to get my “medicine”. Having these meds became my number one priority. What a mess.

    Vicodin detox is a party compared to trying to cold turkey Subutex. I went from 1 mg to nothing on my own, and spent 18 days sick as hell, with very little sleep. Sleep and anxiety were the worst part, and NOTHING I could get my hands on would put me to sleep- truth be told I got my hands on a lot on benzos and NOTHING worked. What did I do? After 18 days clean, I went back to Subutex and actually UPPED my dose, so I’d always have extra.

    Now rehab has become a recurring topic in our home. What an irony, I never could commit to rehab when I was buying my Vicodin over the phone from fake pharmacy’s, but now I am more desperate than I was to get off Vicodin. The Vicodin had stopped working, I couldn’t take more than 10 or 12 a day without getting sick from the acetomenophen, even when I moved onto Lortab, that acetomenophen kept me from being able to get high.

    I am going to try again, with my Fiance as my “Pharmacist” and the herbal supplements suggested here I am going to do it. At the time I found Subutex, it seemed like a miracle to me, if only I had weaned off of it in a month or so instead of staying on for these years. I know the big titration has to be from 1.5 mg to none, that’s where I went wrong last time. Now I understand the really slow pace. My doctor has told me the same information that has been offered here. I am certain it’s true coming from so many different places. I am scared, I am humiliated, but the hell with all of that, I am going to be free for once and forever. I cannot continue to live on this garbage.

    Thank you for offering this place to talk and the very useful detox info. I didn’t know there was another soul out there with my problem. It was one more secret, and I’m sick of having a secret life.

  13. Wow! Jenni’s story is very similar to mine. I’ve been on Suboxone/Subutex for 3 yrs! Only 8 mg/day but I, too encountered the “I’m not calling it in anymore” legislation this month. I am now on day 12 of withdrawal becoz the dr can’t SEE me till 2/1!! Thank u for this website. I has helped not only me but my husband and kids to understand me!!!

  14. George, thank you. I was convinced when my doc put me on suboxone 3 yrs ago for opiate addiction that I wasn’t so sure I needed it, and now that I’m HOOKED on the supposed MIRACLE CURE, and now that I’ve read your site, I’m completely convinced. I’m tapering off Sub (down to .5mg a day) and I hope I can get thru this. Thank you, George… you sound like you really know your stuff. God Bless You for what you’re doing here… you’ve already eased one troubled girl’s mind :)

  15. George, first off thank you for a great thing your doing to help alot of people, and hopefully myself. I was a recreational opiate user that took opiates 4-5 days a week, subs the other couple, eventually to save money i was doing a quarter of a sub,(2mg a day for months, wasnt thinking and tried to quit cold not relizing the heavy withdraw coming my way, ive dosed myself down to the point where im taking maybe .75 mg a day, sumtimes every other, i feel every single side effect that ive seen posted, and i do daily even tho im trying to dose down, should i just plug my tapering down schedule from where it starts at my use around the 17th-18th week and go from there?

  16. Hi George,
    I sent you an email a few weeks ago and haven’t heard back, so thought I’d try your blog. I’ve been following your survival guide for about a month now and am just waiting for my Sub to get down to your recommended dose to start taking Withdrawal-ease. My story is very similar to yours in that I had extensive neck surgeries and am now just as addicted to Sub as I was to Oxy. I had detoxed off Fetynal and went through rehab after my first round of surgeries and was “clean” for two years. Now here I am all over again since having more surgery over a year ago! I elected to go through home detox with Sub (which was several hours of agony and involved a trip an ambulanced trip to the hospital with anxiety in July. It’s been such a bear trying to wean off since then. I found your web site on a desperate search for some kind of help. Thanks so much for what you’re doing to reach out to other “slaves” as you call us. I’ve been off alcohol for 3 years for fear I will self-medicate with it, and am in a 12-step program which has really helped my sanity a great deal! I’ll keep you posted when I start your product in my last few weeks of tapering…wish me luck!
    Your “Buddy in Sobriety,”

  17. Oh, and more more thing, George. I forgot to mention earlier: My doc switched me over to the new Sub “film” so I’ve been cutting each 8mg dose in halves and quarters and storing them in an air-tight pill organizer. I log each dose on a dated calendar to keep track of my tapering. My insurance covers it, but I still have a huge deductible. My doctor gave me a $75 discount card from the Suboxone company for the film which lasts through March 31st. He displayed it in his office and offered to give it to me when I told him what I was having to pay towards my insurance. I really feel for those who don’t have insurance, but they should ask their doctor about the new film and if they have the discount offer cards, most definitely. My pharmacy honored it, even though I have insurance. Good luck to everyone….we’re all in the same boat! I’d love to hear any comments you might like to add on to mine, so feel free.

  18. I have been on sub since April 4 2011. Started at 16 mg a day.For me the thought and price of this med was too much,so I droped to 8mg in 2 months.I cut down 6mg in 8 months.At 2mg,I stared to disolve 3/4th of a 2mg pill,then discarded the undisolved pill.Today I am at 1mg,1/2 of a 2mg.As of now this tappering has been very managable.I just hope the last of it is.All I can just say to new users,stabalize then ruduce.Dont get hooked and good luck.

  19. I wanted to say Thank you. You just helped me save my life. I was ready to just get off subs and jump back to Lortabs. I have been taking subutex for 3 yrs. In the past 2 yrs, 3 (mg) tabs a day. I take all 3 at once. My dr. has me on 2 (8mg.) a day, but he knows about the increase. He doesn’t prescribe the 3 a day because my insurance only pays for the 2 (16mg.) a day. Now, he just told me to take 1 a day and I shouldn’t feel anything. So, I go from 24mg to 8 mg. I did feel the difference. I google to find another dr. in my area, and I came across this. I want to take this, print this out, show my dr., and say I’m going to do this and I need your help. If not, I will find someone who will. I need to be monitored and a professional to do this.I really do appreciate your help and ordering the Withdrawl-Ease. Ready to do this. Again, Thank you so much. I’m glad that people like you are on here helping out others and not charging a left and right arm for it. God Bless you.

  20. ah yes the new film. I’m worried about the film because I think it’s going to be more addictive. Why? Well for one thing it is supposed to speed up “Absorption” and metabolism of the Sub. To me that means that it will be faster acting and perhaps that much more similar to full-agonist opiates. Oh and the new film is -of course- more expensive than the old pills. I’m wondering when the pills will be “phased out”.

    Also sorry about not getting back to you but yes the email is the best way to contact me. I check these comments perhaps once a week but I’ll try and do it more often.

    Thanks everyone.

  21. Hi George. Love the website only wish I would have found it about three weeks ago. I have been on Suboxone for about 2 years. My typical dose in that time was about 12mg a day. I am in a good point in life mentally and physically and was ready to be done.

    I started my taper process and continued tapering for about 6 months. I comfortably tapered from 12mg/day to 8mg/day to 4mg/day to 2mg/day in structured intervals. I stayed at 2mg for about a month and thought i’m good to “make the jump”. Wow was i wrong. The “jump” felt like I was jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge going on three weeks now. I have been going thru all of the typical symptoms (no sleep, no eat, no focus, NO energy, achy generally super crappy feeling for three weeks now. I still am struggling daily to live my life. For me each day is a little(very little)better that the day before.

    I was told by my doctors and even Suboxone reps directly (I know funny;like taking a politician for their word)right from the beginning that I would need to taper but was never fully informed of the severity of the withdraws that were possible.

    Making the jump from 2mg to 0 has been one of the most difficult things both physically and mentally i’ve been thru in my life. Without going thur this personally right now I would have thought your taper suggestion was excessive but i believe it’s right on.

    I truly feel that Suboxone helped me when i was in a bad situation but was never prepared for this. Oh well. I am trying to look at this as the right of passage to the other side (the drug free side). I got myself into this and now this is my payment to get out. Everything costs something. Just a final reminder that overuse of drugs really sucks.

    THX for letting me vent.

  22. Hi,

    I was on 600mg of Oxycontin for 2.5 years following a wicked car accident and when I lost my insurance, I decided to get on Suboxone. That was 2 years ago, while I have myself tapered down to .5mg a day to every other day, from the original 16mg/day, the same story I just can’t seem to drop that last little bit & if these withdrawals really are going to last weeks I don’t know what to do I’m taking 19 credits in college on my way to a dual DVM/PhD, so I’m no dummy, but I am at a loss. I have spring break, a week off, in 2 weeks and will probably take my last piece of Sub when I get home today. I guess my real question is do I try to “crash” over that week and if so what other drugs do I need? Do i beg my doc for another few pills to get me through until then and do I ask for some benzo to accompany this crash week or should I just put it off until summer? Any help is greatly appreciated!!



  23. tough stuff says:

    can you update for folks that are uses the film version of suboxone? many thanks

  24. Hi tough. I mentioned the film on another thread and had this to say about it. There’s still a lot to be discovered about the film on my end and from a users perspective but my initial concerns remain:
    I’m worried about the film because I think it’s going to be more addictive. Why? Well for one thing it is supposed to speed up “Absorption” and metabolism of the Sub. To me that means that it will be faster acting and perhaps that much more similar to full-agonist opiates. Oh and the new film is -of course- more expensive than the old pills. I’m wondering when the pills will be “phased out”.

  25. Hi Kelly. Wow a lot of things going on and I think you’d probably be better off waiting until there are not so many other distractions. You are at a very low dose now (congrats!) and it’s readily apparent that you have the willpower to complete the taper. I suppose I don’t see why you would have to “beg” your doctor to give you a few more pills considering he/she cultivated this addiction for you in the first place. In my mind, going on spring break while in withdrawal would be one of the worst experiences I could imagine.

    When the time comes to detox, I’m not opposed to the occasional benzo but they are so addictive for some people (not me for some reason) that I worry about substitution.

  26. phoenix rising -5 yr subutex guy says:

    It’s nice to connect with others. I was put on this drug after taking a lowmdose of tramadol that caused a seizure.

    The doctor put a 2mg subutex under my tongue–I had no idea.

    5 yrs later.

    My average daily dosage ranged was on average 8mg, divided into 4 2mg doses.

    Everytime I tried a taper, something stressful in life occurred and I failed.

    Imhave not used this product yet. I am down to 1mg just once in the morrning, and just made this reduction 5 days ago. Was quite sick on the 72nd hr due to the long half life. Lethargy, chills, depression, overall creaminess.

    I like th taper plan. It seems like 33% reductions, which is a lot if you’ve been on it for almost 5 yrs.

    a note- subutex and suboxone both have the same partial opiate agoniat bupmorphine. Suboxone has naltrexone, and it seems. Oat are on suboxone not subutex.

    The withdrawal process will be similar since it’s ghe partial agonist that’s binded or almost glued to the opiate receptors.

    Was wondering, during the jumps under 2mg, how long do the withdrawal symptoms last ? They kick in at the 72nd hour due to the long half life.

    Just wondering how long they last.

    It seems in this taper plan, you stay on the new dose for 7 to 14 days. This makes perfect sense. IMO it could even be longer. But so far so good.

    This last jump corm 1.5mg to 1mg has been the hardest. Insomnia big time. And after 12 hrs from the dose, chills, lethargy, etc.

    The further you get away from your daily one time dose, I notice the symptoms pop.

    Hope these symptoms won’t last too long on the new 1mg daily morning dose,

    I will stay on this new dose for at least 14 days.

    Then the next is down to .75, which is really hard to cut, but I will come close.

    Slow taper is the best way.

    The full agonist approach, taking vicodin after going off sub sounds dangerous too me….

    Seems like sub withdrawal symptoms are not as intense as vicodin, etc, but the killer part is they seem to last for a very long time.

    This is what I think makes it hard. It’s like having a low or medium grade flu everyday for months,

    As opposed to just having a bad flu for 5 to 7 days.

    Onwards ands forward.

    Fee of us knew what we were in for, prior to being a dmi interred that first sub dose from our trustworthy doctor.

    We can do it, I just keep reminded myself, it’s temporary, as is everything in life.

  27. I can’t even put into words how thankful I am for the wealth of information you have provided for everyone out there for FREE! god bless you!

    I was taking 10-12 30mg roxi’s a day, orally. never sniffed or shot them. I took them correctly, just excessivly.

    I started suboxone 4 days ago. I started with 2mg. once daily and it’s been enough.

    My question is since I’ve only been on 2mg of subs once daily for 4-5 days now, how bad do you think my withdrawal symptoms will be if I just cold turkey it off the subs in a few more days? I have 6 left. I have a new script for 60 more but dont want to fill it simply because I want OFF of everything!

  28. Update…

    Day 7 without! Starting to feel better finally slept last night almost all night, was rough on midterms but I got through a little passionflower & kava & today finally got some Xanax so I think I’m going to make it, thanks for the reply & support George!

  29. Wow. I can relate to so many here on this board. Unfortunately, I have been getting all my subs on the secondary market, and never gone through the process of going to a doc. I can’t seem to make the final jump to go to doing nothing each and every day. It’s at a point where it is a real obstacle in my life as I recently completed my Masters degree and am looking to start my life and move somewhere to begin my career. I guess my question is, is there anything else coming out down the road? The nature of science and capitalism almost demands there will be a next next great thing, but is there? Is there any hope for a perfect drug? One that can end addiction and also not itself be addictive. We laugh at are ancestors for naming heroin because it was a “hero” in curing morphine addiction, but are we doing any better in our infinite modern wisdom? The best we have is still in essence, a trading of addictions.

    On another note, god bless you. You are doing a great thing here and I appreciate all the time and effort you have clearly put into this site. Furthermore, it seems as if it is done out of the hope to educate instead of market and I can’t tell you how much I respect that.

  30. I self medicated with subs after I developed an addiction to lortab.My friend and I split her meds because she had insurance and I did not,so I would pay her co-pays. When I tried to “jump” after tapering down to 2mgs. I was in agony! So I found a new person to buy from and tried again. Now I am under physicians care at a Dr. who prescribed 2 8mg tabs a day!! So I am only taking one on my own and hope to be off by the end of this summer.My hubby has agreed to be my pharmacist which I definitely do need because I haven’t the willpower to “suck it up” when I start to feel rotten!! Just so your readers know the taper down to 2mgs is really not that bad at all and noone (in my opinion) needs 2 8’s a day.Good luck to All!!

  31. Hi George,I came acrossed your site yesterday thankyou so much for the info and much needed support that we all need!Im on day1 of the tappering off process i am going to purchase day and night pills do you when do you start taking them?

  32. I too, am really thankful that you have taken time to help so many of us who are desperate to be released from bondage! My pain med addiction of 3 years, then transfered to suboxone and been there for about 3 years, so I expect PAWS to be an issue. Unfortunately, the lure of opiates is the first place was to ease a life of depression. Now I will be facing a new level of depression that will be a monster I’m afraid. I have searched the web many times for a program of quiting that seemed feasable, and this, along with one that is very similar, are the only ones that feel like they would lead to real success.

    I’m ashamed to say that I have an added problem in that I have also become dependant on 20 mg. of adderall a day, along with 3 mg. of clonidine. Do you have any suggestions as to which of the three drugs (suboxone, adderall, clonidine) I should get off of first? Do you have any experience with adderall “withdrawl” and how I might taper, or other ideas for the inevitable discomfort that will result? And what can I expect as far as symptoms? Sorry for the bombardment of so many questions. Any others who may have experience or advice would be appreciated.

  33. Hi Anna. thanks for the kind words. We recommend a tapering process and then about a week before you stop completely would be a good time to start taking the Withdrawal-Ease Supplement system as directed. Good luck to you and if you have any other questions, feel free to email me at


  34. Hi BJ. thanks for taking the time to comment on the site. There’s absolutely no shame being on those three drugs since many opiate dependent people take multiple narcotics…quite common actually.

    What i have to remind those people of is the danger that stopping all of them at the same time poses. As always, you need to talk to your primary care doc about your concerns and your plans just to make sure that you aren’t doing something that could really hurt you. Then I would go ahead and just address the opiates/Suboxone for now. I think the absence of Suboxone will have a profound impact on your mood, sleep and energy…in the long term.

    In the short term, yes you will have a detox period which will be followed by a couple weeks of feeling “rough around the edges” but what’s a few days being sick compared to the years of guilt, shame and everything else that comes along with being on opiates? Withdrawal-Ease can definitely help and if you can follow the instructions in this article above along with our Withdrawal survival guide then I believe you’ll have a much easier time detoxing from the Sub. Questions? email me at and I’ll try to help in any way that I can.

  35. Thanks for that info Leslie. Yes, we’ve heard that the first part of the taper may be even easier than I have described in the article…perhaps I should amend it. Eh, I’ll leave it for now. Keep us informed of your progress Leslie!

  36. Hi George,
    It’s been awhile since I checked in. I’m now down to 2mg sub film 3x daily (am cutting them in 4th’s, initially started at 8mg thrice daily), and will jump down to 2mg twice daily next week. Every 2 weeks is working fairly well for me, but I have had a few stressful times where I’ve had to wait a few more days. The worst withdrawal I am experiencing is extreme drowsiness and a very hard time getting up in the mornings. I’m looking forward to starting your W/E when I’m at the 2mg stretch as suggested in your Survival Guide. I’m not taking any other Rx drugs except Lyrica and Baclofen for pain and muscle spasms following my cervical fusion along with OTC meds for pain. I have problems with concentration and my hands are very jerky (poss residual from my neck surgery?) Anyway, I’ll keep you posted on my progress in the next month or so!
    Take Care All!

  37. Thank you SO MUCH for addressing the issue of it being a “scam” doctor’s (and their staff–they look you in the eye and tell you “don’t get off the Suboxone list, you can’t get back on…..” BS!)have going. I’m one of the former vicodin addicts who became addicted due to normal pain management use–even then that doctor never told me they are highly addictive. I’ve used illegal drugs off and on as an adolescent and adutl however for the most part am a social drinker (not even weekly)–how I was ignorant to “pills” is beyond me. But as I stated, the “scam” part is the worst! It’s worse than the high cost of the meds. I’m just stoked I came across this site because my family doesn’t “get it”. I so have no use for Suboxone aside from the fear of withdrawal. Unfortunately, I had already detoxed myself off vicodin and went back on (it’s been a long road–my Mom died during, then things just spiraled so Suboxones DID get me back to a more normal routine) them. So I’m one of those who should have never gone on them in the first place. I knew that, but the doctor’s who prescribe this medication prey upon people who are at a vulnerable place in life. I think what bothers me even more is that their staff, people who have no formal education or training, etc. are making very bold statements. It’s just wrong in so many ways. Thank you for letting me vent: this actually helps immensely. Ciao! p.s. I will be purchasing your product within the next few weeks; it’s “time”. :-)

  38. Hi George, just wanted to say i have googled “suboxone withdrawel” many times, but only today found your site. I will try to keep my experience short and to the point.
    I was taking about 400 mg of oxycontin daily for about 8 yrs for back pain, some prescribed, some on the black market. In 2006, my doctor cut me off. Reason being, when i would run out of pills, i would drink, about a litre daily of scotch. THIS COULD NOT GO ON. The doc cut me off cold turkey with no support. It is easy to get mad at these doctors. In my mind doctors are like mechanics, some good, others complete IDIOTS!
    I heard of a doctor who could prescribe the so called miracle drug SUBOXONE. No miracle for me. I hated the stuff. The doc had me on 8mg three times daily. The doctor and i had a confrontation over my blood pressure. I had been given 60 pills w/two refills. It is funny, i basically did your taper problem on my own with some diffuculty. I now chop up a 8mg pill into 10 peices. one peice a day. i have done this now for about 8 months. I have about a 4 month supply remaining. I was very afraid of the FINAL STEP! But after reading your post, it has given me hope. I plan to jump into “week 18 and nineteen this coming Monday. I also am going to see about your product that you offer to help.
    In closing I want to say thank you. There are alot of us out there who want to be free of this miracle crap. I would also like to add that during my tapering, mild exercise, a support group (AA for me), and drink plenty of mieral water with B vitamins. I have been on suboxone for 5 yrs, and i have hope. Power to all you people who help. Do not drink alcohol while detoxing, it makes it soo much worse, alcohlic or not.
    GOS BLESS; Mike

  39. Hi Lauri. Thanks for checking in. Sounds like you are doing very well and have gotten into a rhythm. Now it’s just a matter of being patient and moving the process forward. The shaking hands could be due to the cervical fusion since your C-4, C-5 and C-6 vertebrae have nerves that shoot down the arms and into the hands. The lack of energy sounds like a mild withdrawal symptom but it can be extremely annoying! Try to exercise since that is THE best way to get more energy.

    Keep up the good work!


  40. Your blog I did find helpful but also made me feel helpless. I have been on only 1 mg of suboxone for 2 years after using around 6 norcos per day for 2 years. I understand your plan but for me there’s not much of a taper process from 1 mg. I am currently on day 4 of nothing and have never felt more lifeless EVER!!! I can’t take care of my daughter, eat, work, show affection to anyone. My doc prescribed me xanax and clonodine which have helped, however all these post of people complaining of symptoms for months do not give me any hope whatsoever. There is no way in hell i could take that. I have a 2 year old that is the love of my life and right now I don’t want to be anywhere near here. I don’t have 2 months for this.
    How long will this last!

    Reading all these post of p

  41. Hi Steph. I’m sorry that you feel hopeless; I can assure you there IS reason for hope. I still think you stopped too soon. As I mention in the blog, everyone is different and your detox might be significantly shorter than another person’s. If you have been experiencing acute withdrawal then that’s not acceptable. you should probably ask your doctor if you can stagger the dose between one and 2 days. then perhaps take 3 days between doses and so forth? The half-life in Suboxone allows people to go without for even days at a time depending on the person. So perhaps taking that approach might work for you.

    I agree it’s an intolerable position to be in but I think you can change that. Perhaps your body just needs more time and a more measured tapering process.

    Please don’t lose hope Steph

  42. John McIntosh says:

    I recently went though a detox center down in Florida. They detoxed me off 400mg Methadone but I was left on a small amount of Subutex. I’ve been home for 2 1/2 months. It’s my own doing I think, still on the subutex! The detox center recommended I go to a suboxone/subutex doctor for maintenaince since methadone has such a long half life and gets in your bone marrow and muscle tissue. I left on a low dose of subutex but couldn’t function in everyday life on the low dose I left at. The new “SUB” doctor held out his hand and agreed with me while we planned for my next visit! I paid alot of money to get off my 8 year methadone hab. I just want to keep my momentum and get off anything my 55 year old body doesn’t physically/mentally need. My plan was to come home from the detox center clean, to my wife and daughters. However, it didn’t quite work out that way. Anyway my comment, question, etc. was: This WILL work with Subutex as well right???? I look forward to your response. Thanks John

  43. Domenick DeCaprio says:

    This website is a god send! Thank you so much for the info. I have been taking suboxone for about a year. I just started to take them legally through a doctor and i’m on 16 mgs a day. I definitely am going to use this method to taper down. It is people like you that give me faith in the human race again. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this George.
    Domenick D.

  44. i’m 47 yrs old and have been addicted to opiates for over 13 yrs off and on. i’ve been to the methadone clininc 3 times. i went to a Sub doctor at the end of January 2011. i had started using again approx. 3 months before and did not want to get sucked back into my habit. I was prescibed 2 8 mg tabs per day, but found that was too much, so i went to just 1 per day. Since i’ve only been on Subs for almost 3 months, and i’ve only been taking 1-2 mg per day for the last month, i am wondering if i’m going to go through withdrawals. today is my first day with nothing and i find i have no energy, but my mind is a powerful instigator. kinda nervous about all the comments on the longevity of symptoms. Good luck to everyone who is trying to quit!

  45. Hi John. Yes, Withdrawal-Ease is also indicated for Subutex. We talk about suboxone more due to the fact that it’s prescribed more.

  46. Hi George- Your taper plan is AMAZING! I was put on suboxone for MIGRAINE prevention (if you can believe that) and had been taking 8-16 mg a day for 3 years! In January I went cold turkey (obviously hadn’t done any research on suddenly stopping) I went two weeks being completely ill- jumping out of my skin, vomitting, and wound up in the hospital. They put me BACK on the suboxone. THen I found your post. I followed your taper plan and got down to 1/4 of a mg every 3 days… then JUMPED! I found that when I did have symptoms I would exercise– even doing jumping jacks for a couple of minutes would kick in my endophins and I would feel fine. it’s been ONE MONTH- I don’t think about it- crave it– just so happy i found this post and followed your schedule. It REALLY works- and I hope others realize that if you taper slowly YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!

  47. Hello,
    Like you,I am No Doctor,but I have searched,and researched,and What I have read in your column,is so accurate.I became really intrested in the NRT(Neurotransmitter Restoration therapy) Which is Iv treatment with amino acids and vitamins. So I went and bought every amino acid, listed in the Nrt guide,which was over 300.00.After a week to ten days, I definetly felt a big difference.I will order your product(all the ingredients in One bottle,and lots cheaper! I however am on 8mg of Subutex 3 times a day,for over a year and a half. I am so tired,the only Good thing I can say about Subs for me, I am not overdosing on Hydro. The subs to me,really is like being on lifesupport. It is horrible. I wouldnt normally write,mostly I just wanted to say Thank you, so much,for caring and taking the time to help,In such detail. You are a Special person! Still Trying

  48. Thank you for this positive and forward looking web site! It is one of the few sites which gives sub users a glimmer of hope when thinking of the future.
    I have been on a sub program for a year now. I have had ups and downs but I am better off than the hell my life was previously. I will not detail but, I am better now because I am able to think clearly and make plans about what course I want to take in my life. Before, it was all about the opiates.
    My problem now since lowering the sub dose to 2mg. is, extreme fatigue, moderate depression, and no ambition to do anything. My mind has become a prison which prevents my feet from taking a step forward. It is getting to me. I have lowered the dose very slowly under doc’s care and was going well until getting below 3mg. I had high hopes to start a new business and reacquaint myself with family and friends after being “gone” for a number of years while taking high doses of opiates. I want to do whats right and I want to make ammends but cannot do so when its hard to even get out of bed. If I take an extra mg of sub, the symptoms alleviate. I am 50 years young, I still have plans for my life, I want to eventually help others with this plight too, I am thinking I may have to take this pill the rest of my life. The only problem would be- how to finance this when I am a retired person living on a fixed income. I know I am looking a few years ahead but it is a concern. Are there people out there above the age of 65 years taking subs? And I also think about long term effects. Also, how will this affect brain and memory?
    Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to voice my story and concerns. I wish all of you with your own troubles my best thoughts and wishes. Dont give up.

  49. Hi George,

    I’ve read an enormous amount of information on your page and I have to admit, if you would have asked me a year ago what my opinion of Suboxone was, I would’ve said its a great medication that works fantastically. I dont feel that way anymore.

    I was on Suboxone for a few years after I became dependent on Dilauded following a battle with my health.Initially, I was told I would only be on it for a few weeks and then when it came to getting my first prescription I was told I would likely be on it forever. Well, that wasn’t ever my plan. I was on it for 4 years. I slowly tapered myself off despite all the resistance from the prescribing doctor. Eventually, once I was down to a quarter of a 2mg tablet for a while, I just stopped taking it. I hadnt felt better in years. I didnt realize just how “numb” even a half of a mg had made me, but other than that, I didnt recognize any side effects or symptoms from the medication while I was taking it. But once I went off of it I suddenly felt fantastic! For the first time in many years I felt ALIVE.

    But then, last February, I fell and broke my back. I was on Oxycontin and Oxycodone for the pain, and of course after a few months when I attempted to go off of those, I got very sick. My PCP was willing to ween me off of the Oxys but I panicked and ran back to Dr. Suboxone. This time however, I wasnt in withdraw when he put me on the first dose because he was leaving for vacation and “squeezed me in” at the last minute the day before he left. I didnt have time to be in withdraw. I got the phone call and went. Also, by my 2nd prescription he changed me to the films. He INSISTED I take the films, so adamantly that he called the pharmacist at the biggest pharmacy in my area and reamed him out for not having them in stock. Having been on both, I dont care what anyone says THEY ARE DIFFERENT. I felt totally different on them – I found myself MOODY and depressed (REALLY DEPRESSED), unable to laugh, numb, grumpy, short tempered and physically, some days out of no where I would get flu like symptoms that would go eventually go away unless I took a dose of Suboxone. I was taking 16 mgs per day but I there were days I still felt like I was going through opiate withdraw.

    A few weeks ago I was hospitalized after the emergency room determined that I have a blood clotting disorder and I had 2 Pulmonary Ebolisms. At the hospital, I was given dilaudid (they knew I’d take my Suboxone that morning) but they insisted that the Suboxone wasnt going to help the chest pain I was having (I’d already taken it just a few hours beforehand.) While I was hospitalized, they kept me on the dilaudid. In a way I was relieved because I just didnt have the same response to the Suboxone the second time around as I did the first time and I was feeling hopeless. I hated the way it made me feel, and talking to the doctor that was prescribing it was just a waste of time.

    Once I was discharged from the hospital, my doctor switched me from the Dilaudid back to the OxyCodone and agreed to taper me off of it. However, about 3 days after I stopped taking the Suboxone, I started having these episodes – twitching, stuttering, seizure-like episodes. I dont know if they are related to stopping the Suboxone so abruptly, or the fact that the 2 overlapped. I just know I’m scared as hell. I am scheduled to see a neurologist in 2 weeks but I’m not even really able to work right now. And to top it off now I’m back on the pain meds which I didnt want to be, but they are less scary to me then the Suboxone because I dont want to go through another numb 4 years and it wasnt really helping anyhow. I’m still extremely depressed (which I dont normally have an issue with depression), I have no energy or motivation, I’m tired most of the time and I just HATE the way that I feel. I cant tell whether I am having withdraw from the Suboxone or if its been replaced by the Oxys or if the two were taken too close together. I have been able to ween down from the Oxy from 8 to 6 tablets a day. That seems to be working but I’m scared. I dont know if I made the right choice. I dont know what to expect from the Suboxone, or lack of it and even my PCP doesnt know that much about it. I dont know what to do, but I have to do something before my entire life falls apart completely. I can hardly stand myself. Do you have any advice, suggestions or information? I’m desperate.


  50. Hi George,

    My doctor put me on sub films(8mg 3 times a day) to help me with a ten year long habit of 30 10mg Lortab pills a day. I truly consider Suboxone a miracle. I ended up in ICU 3 times. My question is, I’ve only been on Subs for 3 months. Sometimes I only take 1 Sub a day. Would it be easier if I tried to taper now being as I have been on it for such a short time? The Doc is trying to tell me I should stay on it for at least a year because of my history. My other question is do you become addicted to Suboxone right away?

    Thanks, Melissa

  51. Hi George,
    Thanks for your encouragement, it’s really appreciated.

    Unfortunately, I was doing pretty well with my tapering and was just about down to 1.5 mg 3x daily and then my Dad became very ill with terminal lung cancer and mets to the bone. He doesn’t have that long to live and is on Hospice. It’s been incredibly stressful and my doctor recommended that I take a break while going through this crisis. I bumped up to 6 mg per day to help my pain level which had gone through the roof. It’s helping somewhat, but I feel like my system is all out of whack at times.

    Thanks again for your support!

  52. Hi George, I have been on subs for 3 and 1/2 yrs and it is costing me a fortune. With a poster saying that subtex is cheaper I wanted to know how much cheaper it is and is it any different than suboxone. If so what are the differences between the two. This site has been very insiteful. Thank you,

  53. Thanks for the website and everyone’s time or effort to help others with this crazy suboxone subject & best of luck to all..I suggest stopping it, as in don’t stay on it long term as it likely will cause you more problems than not. There is truth, a lot of truth to the argument that many Suboxone Doctors are ignorant or excuse my language jackasses..I’m just saying you may have a stressful time finding the right doctor but don’t settle, it isn’t worth it as the doctor will prolong your process or who knows even randomly drop you as a patient..Suboxone doctors can be weird and there’s no lie there’s a stigma attached to it, I know I felt guilty once I learned how ignorant I was about this “”miracle”” I say excuse but sympathy sure. I’m within the withdrawl process now, through self control I’ve been dedicated to going off this as I was off label prescribed it but I didn’t get upset at the idea at the time as I was desperate. Well good luck to you all and just think you could be helping by your experiences to literally change how at least this drug is prescribed and used let alone viewed!

  54. I just ordered your product and I am actually not scared to death anymore about going through the detox from suboxone process. I am at a low dose , .5mg but have been terrified of withdrawal so I have put it off for years. Just reading the many testimonials has given me hope for the first time in what seems like forever. I know that I will experience some pain and discomfort, but it sure sounds like it will be bearable with your product. I will jump off a week after I receive and begin taking your supplements. Pray for me please, thank you.

  55. Hi Karen. Have you tried the generic form of Suboxone yet? It’s still expensive (sort of like saying, “Have you tried a Bentley as opposed to a Rolls Royce?”) but you can save a lot of money by going to generic route. Don’t go to Subutex.

  56. Hello,
    I just want to say that I really wish I had a better understanding of tapering before I gobbled up the last sub film. I managed to do half then 1/4 the next day and the night before last I took less than a 1/4. So its been one day and one night without any suboxone. Last night was horrible couldn’t sleep couldn’t sit still I was so irritable for no apparent reason. I ordered the withdrawal ease and it will get here today I really hope it makes me feel better cause just the thought of another night like last makes me feel like I cannot make it. I honestly feel like the past 4 years of my life have been stolen from me. I was a slave to them suboxone. All I can do now is remember these horrible feelings the next time heroin crosses my mind and im looking for the next best thing to use to get off it. The 4 years I was on suboxone I actually thought I was clean. HA I now know that I was really fooling myself. Just one question, why does the withdrawals feel worse at night and a little less during the day

  57. Hi Chesta. Thanks for commenting on the site and gicing your thoughts on tapering. Many people do not understand how important tapering is. It’s not like we invented it; it’s proven and it can help you reduce the acuity of your withdrawal symptoms significantly.

    As far as withdrawals “feeling better at Night as opposed to the Day”, well I think that depends on who you ask. I myself wasn’t crazy about either but I can see what you are saying about the Nighttime. I suspect that a lot of the reason why you feel this way is because your body is (in theory) still/immobile. Your mind races, fear creeps in, guilt pays a visit etc. It’s also my experience that RLS is more acute at night because you are not walking around and stretching your muscles. The twitches feel more severe because you are lying there and begin to anticipate the next one. The sweating or the chills can also feel a bit more “amplified.” The other obvious one is the fact that you are desperately trying to sleep and your body is simply saying “no”. Those may be some of the reasons why you feel the way that you do.

    My advice is of course to take action and try to exercise as close to bedtime as possible…even just taking a walk. Also, do the little things to pamper yourself before you go to sleep; take a bath, drink herbal tea, try to read or listen to an audio book. Create the “mood”! This will help your body transition into nighttime more smoothly. We have some other tips in our Withdrawal Survival Guide like the “Towel Trick” for RLS that can help significantly. Remember: proper sleep has a direct impact on the length and severity of withdrawals. It’s very important, so take as many steps as you can to help your body get the rest it needs.

    I hope that this helps you and others. Thanks for taking the time to comment here. Every comment helps others feel less alone and that makes a big difference.


  58. Hi George and everyone else. I have just spent the last hour reading all the post’s and responses. About three weeks ago I decided I was done with suboxone. I have been taking it for about 5 months. I have battled opiate addiction for about 13 to 14 years. I am a 47 year old male. I have been on methadone 3 times during this period, have had some periods of complete abstinence, and recently tried the suboxone for what I thought would be a “smarter” way to regiment some sort of maintenance to my problem. I have cold turkey’d drugs in the past. And it always sucks. Methadone in particular is a bear. But this bout with suboxone has been horrible. I was taking 8mg a day. I was not getting it thru a Dr. but unfortunately from the streets. Toward the end of my run I started mixing drugs like adderall and colonipin with the suboxone and started feeling that trapped feeling of hopelessness that many addicts know. I have been in and out rehabs and detox centers in the past. I have been involved with NA And AA also. But to be honest I never really fully committed to any sort of help. I thought I was different, special, smarter….My post is not really a question or a reply. I guess it’s just thanks to you and all the people who commented on the subject. Because I was thinking there was something seriously wrong with me. I didn’t think that stopping suboxone would be so tormenting. Major depression, lethargy, stomach problems, insomnia, muscle aches…the list goes on and on. Tonight will mark 23 days since I last took the drug. Still experiencing all the symptoms above. Maybe getting a little better but man it is sure taking it’s time. I have started back to NA and AA and have started to try reach out for help. And for once in my life be truly honest about my problems. I guess sooner or later I will turn a corner. Maybe at 60 days? Who knows. I have been keeping a diary of how I’m feeling each day and I guess there is some improvement from a couple of weeks ago. But it sure is slow. And mornings for me are the worst. Simple things like shaving and brushing my teeth seem like monumental tasks. Anxiety and panic set in frequently. But after reading all the posts I felt comforted. I certainly got myself into this mess but I honestly was not prepared for how hard it would be to shake this “miracle” drug. Thanks to all people who took the time to post information. And thanks George for the replies. It lets me know that I’m not alone and that there is hope….Ash

  59. Hey George my name is charity Ive been on Subs 8 mg 3 times a day for over a year now and really want off of it Im sooo glad I found this site and I plan to do every step u posted! I really want off this drug and out of the hell it has put me through Ive been on every single drug out there and the subs have been harder to come off of then any of them!! I dont want to have to take this drug anymore it does nothing for me at all it has however caused alot of health problems here lately I just wanna be free of all drugs and im starting the tappering process tomorrow

  60. i thank god i found this site and starting tomorrow the tappering down process Ive been through hell with this suboxone and im so ready to get clean free of all drugs ive let drugs control my life for way to long i just wanna be free because right now im in prison and the drugs are the bars that holds me i wanna be able to feel good without having to take meds!

  61. Eric Fletcher says:

    this is actually pretty accurate. I did a 14 day detox about 7 years ago and remained clean for 2 years. fell off the horse and got high for 2 more and a had a few cold turkeys in jail. been on suboxone for 3 years now. the first year i was getting them off the street and was consistently taking about 4 mgs a day when i tried to detox. It was hell and caused relapse. but the next 2 years i went to a physician and i haven’t taken anything for 7 days now. i was tapered down to about .5 or .25 mg a day. This time around the withdrawals are so much more manageable i can’t even compare the two. obviously their simply is no comfortable way to do this but that comes with the territory. using heroin or what have you is like taking out a loan eventually your gonna have to pay it back. I lived in the baltimore area but just moved, its not impossible to stay clean in a drug accessible area but if you somehow have the means to get away i would take advantage of it. Ive been dealing with this issue for over 10 years now and i am only in my mid 20’s. but enough rambling this was a very informative analysis of how to make it easier on you and i hope more people come here… coming from a full fledged. good luck everyone may the sobriety begin lol

  62. I just want to add for fellow detoxees that I’ve heard and I believe this to be true, you have to stay hydrated and the more you drink the faster it gets out of your system.

  63. Hi and thank you for your product withdrawal ease,I’ve been on sub 8mil,s for three month,s and have the same question,s as most responder,s to your site.My question is it ok to start the withdrawal ease product as I start the taper? I like other,s cannot afford the sub,s no longer and fear the total withdrawal process?
    Thank,s again!!!!

  64. Hi Brian. Yes, it is fine to take the Withdrawal Ease as you taper. Go ahead and take it whenever you feel comfortable. It will not interfere with your Suboxone or the taper.

  65. George thank you!
    I have been detoxing from Suboxone film for the past three months, I was on 16 mgs and am now down to 2 from 4 for the past 7 days. According to my Doctors recommendations to totally quit after 2, to say the least it has been difficult, (anxiety, depression, chills, sleeplessness, and an overall poor feeling). Your recommendations make so much sense and are real from experience and I thank you for that.
    I have two questions, first what is in your kit? And secondly I have been taking about 10mg of Valium per day to help with the jitters and sleep. What is your recommendation on taking Valium.
    Thanking You in advance, I do plan on purchasing your kit but would like more information.

  66. Hi Rick. Thanks for the kind words. We have another blog post that I’ve put a “sticky” to the top of my blog Called “How To Detox From Opiates”. It will give you a good feel for the program and how the product fits into the program. I encourage everyone to research the program and the product as much as you can using the content that we have here for free. Even if you do not buy the product, there are a variety of resources that we have which can be very beneficial.

  67. all these stories on this site absolutely amaze me. i agree with some of the people. these doctors they just write scripts and they dont care about the consequences on your part. my doctor has be on 5 different opiates and i am desperately trying to get off of all of them … they hardest is the hydrocodone. i have been looking for the herbs a more natural and smoother way. i guarantee you that i wont allow any doctor to put me on suboxazone. not from what i have read here and from what my pharmaphist has told me. i want off of the hydrocodone myself not because my doctor wants me off. the things you have to go thru just to get off a narcotic that your doctor prescribes you is horrible. i am a recovering drug addict of meth and marijuana which my doctor knows, and for him to put me on a highly abusive drug as hydrocodone, truely amazes me in the sense that my doctor does not care about my health or wellbeing. i am totally stunned by your stories. thanks for sharing and letting me share also. I believe the mind is a powerfull thing and we all can become drug free, someday..

  68. As I sit here crying my eyes out because my suboxone program dropped me for no insurance, as I can barely see thru my tears, I guess Im lucky to be at the 1mg. a day point. The minute I took this (suboxone) I knew it wasnt good for me to notice how great it made me feel. So right off the bat I started taking as little as I possibly could. Of course still problematic because my brain still wants its reward of 1mg. daily. Thank You for your positive “try not to panic” tapering approach. It made me feel somewhat successful already when I saw I am already at the wk. 15 mark on your taper system. Knowing my road ahead is still wrought with withdrawal symptoms once I finally stop within the months end, your post has given me the hope that this will one day be a part of my past and that I will finally no longer be “enslaved” by this drug. thank you. Continue your work to help others–it is soooooo needed.

  69. Oh how I wish I would have found this article in December 2013!! I have lost my insurance that pays for my suboxone on April 1st, and now tapering off 16mg in a 4 week period!!!! I take Suboxone for pain (my vertabra in my spine are slowly fusing together and have had been using this medication for 3 years successfully) and have had no issues until now! :( The detox from Suboxone is equally as bad as detoxing from opiates…

  70. I sooooooooo wish I would’ve read this sooner, I’ve been on subs for about a yr and 4 months. I thought I wouldn’t have a problem getting off of them because I tried to take as little as possible…I had an 8mg strip for every day and it wasn’t unusual for me to just tear it down and take as little as possible. No, I didn’t have a Perscription for it, but I didn’t have to pay anything either. It saved my life when I was at my worst with the pills tho, but I just recently quit talking to the person I was getting them from and now am on day 3 of detox from the subs…I was tearing them down to quarters and eighths and sometimes just skipping days…well, now reading all of this I’m worried that I might not be able to hang in there. I’m praying this feeling goes away soon, it is soooooooo much less severe than the pills! But it’s still pretty intolerable for those who have a life to live! But I’m trying to hang in there…if I can make it 3 days, who’s to say I can’t do it for the rest of my life?!?!? Fingers crossed!

  71. Great website George as I have referred to it many times. My question to you is how important or how helpful is engaging in daily exercise prior to and during the suboxone detox. I have only been on suboxone for 10 days after a 3 year opiate binge and I want to get off them as soon as possible. I have started to exercise for the first time in three years so I would appreciate any input you are comfortable sharing.

  72. George I have been on Subs for 4 yrs now ..And i feel it is time to get clean ..i found your site ..and i need to get off these pills i am 57 yrs old ..i went to a drug program back in 2010 and the dr there put me on these pills at first i thought it was a God sent …she told me the withdraws would not be bad at all ….She lied …reading all these message boards got me scared as hell …i can’t image being sick for 3 months ..that is why tapering down makes sence to me so thank you for the site …i will start tomorrow ….from 4 mgs a day 2 in the morning and 2 at night and so on …i need all the luck i can get .i also will go back to my meetings for extra help …and also ask God to help to …thank you again for the site George

  73. lorraine says:

    hi, I have Been taking suboxine foe 5 years, with a 30 day supply of 8 mgs that would last meapprox 3~4 months, I am not patient with measuring, however, for the last week (monday~ monday) I have about 1 6th of the pill left, can not get to my doctor,he is in another state& only takes cash, & I am broke, in a few ways right now, anyway…I have been wanting since I satarted, to not have to take these, it was given to me to get off perkaset ( makes no sense to begin with) but, my opinion it is a money making bussiness at the cost of people’s spirit) & of course more expensive,therefore, more money for them to make( just my theory) any way I don’t have to tell you I am terrified, what can I do with this? ps. I am greatful for finding this site thank you, Sincerely

  74. It WORKS!!! I was totally leary that, yes it was a conspirosy because the “so called” Doctors who prescribe this drug never want to discuss coming off of it! I did this exact Detox plan simply by a theory and followed the OBVIOUS! I’m off, in my 3rd day feeling very bad but know it’s at an end soon and obviously nothing like Heroin withdrawal or benzo detox ( I would rather die then do that one again). Perhaps it’s just me, but after enduring true agony (physical and psychological ), to its fullest ( yes my story is long, wide & sad), pain isn’t really that bad. Detoxing isn’t really pain, it’s LOSS. So suck it up and deal with it! If I can do this ANYONE CAN! Thank you for your help. Bless be.

  75. If you begin yawning incessantly after stopping, have you tapered too quickly? I’ve tapered on my own schedule before reading your article and I’m yawning a lot.

  76. Hi Craig. Yawning is one of the very first withdrawal symptoms to manifest itself. If yawning is all that you are going through right now, I would say that your taper still sounds like it’s on track. If withdrawal symptoms become worse than you may need to slow down a bit.

  77. George,

    A BIG thanks to you, your plan and product on this (appropriate) Day of Independence! Also, some insight for others on what my situation was, what worked for me and what didn’t.

    First, thank you for taking the time, George, to create this sub detox plan and product. I encourage anyone thinking of following the plan to do it to the letter (and adjust when needed) and buy the product.

    In December 2013, I entered a detox hospital as a severe pain patient who had been diagnosed with opioid-induced hyperalgesia. This is a serious and rare condition, as the opioids that were given to me in higher and higher doses for two years were found to INCREASE my level of pain, rather than control or decrease it. I was at a 10 on the pain scale for most of that time. At the time of my intake, I was taking large doses of methadone, OxyContin, fentanyl, baclofen, ketamine and morphine. It should have killed me, and nearly did…several times.

    I detoxed in the hospital over 7 days. The first night of withdrawal was the worst of my life; indeed, the worst any nurse had seen. I was given suboxone and transitioned over to 8mgs/day. Rather amazingly, the out-of-control pain was considerably lessened after I withdrew from the opioids. I was amazed.

    After having to undergo surgery 6 days later (an anal fissurectomy – one of the most painful surgeries there is), I had no opioids to turn to for pain relief. I made it through using alternative medicine and a lot of meditation.

    In March, I decided I wanted off of Suboxone, as any opioid in my system was likely causing me added pain. I found this site and jumped in at week 9. I was shocked to find it would be another 16 weeks before I could get off of suboxone completely, but listened to your wise counsel of “it takes time, but not that much time, if you know what I mean.” Jumping at 2mg, as my doctor wanted me to, would have been a big mistake.

    I started having withdrawal symptoms around week 20. I freaked out and bought Withdrawal Ease and Nighttime Ease quickly. Within 5 days, any symptoms disappeared. I added an extra week of doing the same dosage for week 21, then proceeded. My last dose was May 26 – Memorial Day! My first dose of Recovery Ease started today, Independence Day. One more month, and I’ll let go for good.

    I still can’t believe my general doctor or pain doctors did not know about opioid-induced hyperalgesia. Dear reader, if your pain continues to increase despite more and different meds, consider that you may have this rare condition. Your pain may likely be FAR less NOT being on opioids…and I am proof you can manage your pain through alternative means.

    I appreciate all you’re doing for this community, George! Best wishes in your continued work and to all others looking to escape their pain and addictions.

    – Paul

  78. Okay, so, this is just my experience, but I was on 16mg. a day. Now, this isn’t ideal, but I started taking adderall for school (I know, I know) but I found myself forgetting to take my suboxone, and not noticing any withdrawals. What I found from my stupidity was, in the end: going from 16mg. to 2mg. or less is very easy, it’s more mental, in my opinion, than anything else. The problem is going from a small amount (I’m talking like a few crumbs, microscopic) to nothing. That will kick in the withdrawals, at least for me. So, the takeaway is, I think doctors are prescribing huge amounts of this medication when in reality, its effective level is quite small, even for someone with a huge dope habit. 16mg. is overkill, and if you follow the above recommendations and exercise and eat right, I think you’ll find that it’s the final jump that’s the toughest part. I say this because many people are afraid to start the detox because of the idea of such a huge numeric jump. Now, I don’t take other opiates, no desire to, but maybe there’s a reason for someone to take 16mg. a day, as in, maybe that would block heroin’s effectiveness. Sub is a WEIRD drug, and if you google you can find NY times and Village articles about how Roche is pushing it as long-term maintenance (because, well, it’s better to have someone on a drug for life than for a week). Sorry for rambling, and this is just my experience.

  79. This is in reference to Mike post as well as George. was on 8mg’s 3 times a day. YES 24MG’s a day. i changed doctors and had no problem when he only precribed me 60 for a month supply (16mg’s) a day. Yes i was scared but, i have done a little trial and error with reducing dose being a 7 year subutex user. It worked fine. I was a little uncomfy. but instead of doing all 8mgs in am and all 8 mgs in pm. would take 1/2s (4mgs) 4times a day.
    I was on 60 (16mgs a day) until the last 2 months. I know the BIG LEAPS ARE SCARY. But, within this last 2 months i was able to cut down to 8mg’s a day. And i did it just by waiting as long as i could to take my 1/2 pill (4mg’s). I did not immediately take it when i woke, i would wait it out a few hrs. and then maybe just take a 1/4th. just depending on how i felt. But most always took the full 8mg’s every day… I atually think when you wait and start feeling a little withdrawal it helps you (as most know with subs it takes a while to feel the withdrawal syptoms). I really think keeping yourself busy and not laying around HELPS tremendously. And so what if you feel some withdrawal. Its not gonna kill ya. Just a little uncomfy for a few hrs. and you’ll be fine.

    This next 2 months i am gonna try to cut down to 4mg’s a day. i know it will be hard at 1st and will probably take an extra emergency dose for the 1st few weeks. and then i do believe if you keep busy and wait to take your dose as long as you can, that you can cut down to lower doses pretty quick.

    After this tho, i really am worried about going to 2mgs 1mgs .5mgs. So i will def. be doing you taper method. It was a great read.

    Although my doctor is cool and precribes me ambien and xanax for when i taper down. WHich i know are dangerous. but i am at small doses of both and don’t use everyday.

    Anyway MIKE, you can do it, just put your mind to it. And although there are side effects. I really comes down to mind over matter. If you know you can do it. you can.

  80. shari vall says:

    I don’t have the luxury of the tapering process. i called my doctor to get a refill, and was told that he lost his lisence. No warning or phone call from his office. The closest Dr. around here is an hour and half away and has 6 month waiting list. I am petrified! I have been on suboxone for almost 3 years, and felt blessed to be off all the other meds i was taking for the 20 years before that, and now I am just feeling SCARED! I am beyond let down about how my doctors office dropped the ball, and am feeling more stressed then ever. I ordered your withdrawl ease and hope to recieve in a couple days, and have been very careful taking 40mgs of norco a day for the past 8 days until it gets here. I dont want to rely on them either, i just want to be done with this nightmare and i am praying that i get enough relief from your product to get me through to the end. I can not believe that this doctor can do this to all of us who came to him for help. Tommorrow is day 9, and i know its going to get worse before it gets better, I just hope and pray that i can do this.

  81. shari vall says:

    by the way, i have been taking 32mgs a day, and to have to quit cold turkey like this…………………come on! how do these doctors get away with this? well, i guess he isnt, he lost his license, but where does that leave me? SICK, just as sick as i was when i went there for HELP! I have already had other health issues, I am scared that being dismissed like this could really effect my health in a serious way. I need some really good advice

  82. shari vall says:

    I am a little upset to have spent the time to ask for help, and order your product, and find that my questions were removed from the blog, i can’t find them to see if they have even been answered. I am starting to doubt my decision. What has happened to me, surely has happened to others, and it would have been nice to see their replies.

  83. Hello. I came upon this website after just being released from “detox/rehab”. My agony started at 27 when I had a spring of multiple surgeries during a three year period of some bad luck. First was a broken jaw then right knee meniscus tear, left knee meniscus tear ending with gallbladder removal. During this time I was given Vicodin. I WILL NEVER FORGET the very first Vicodin I took. Due to the wired jaw, it was crushed up and put into tea. BANG!! From the moment I felt it pulse thru my body and mind I had found love,peace,warmness,and a great best friend. Little did I know this would also turn into hate, coldness, agony and endless torment. I KNEW from that first pill I was hooked. Hence forth began a constant end of opiate prescription seeking and abuse to no end. It finally came to a head when I was taking Oxycontin, Roxicodone, Fentanyl and any other hard Rx for opiates. Whether I was Dr. shopping or plain out stealing pills from where ever and whom ever I can and how. I was a carpenter at the time which gave me the opportunity to be in many different homes in any given week. One of the first things I did was ask to use the homeowners restroom which gave me easy access to medicine cabinets and personnal drawers. You would be AMAZED at home many homes had Rx for pain pills!! Either left over root canals years back. Minor injurys or whatever that left a almost full bottle of pills hiding in the back of said cabinets. All to the happiness of me and feeding my addiction. It was all to easy. Soon this pattern became tiresome and bothersome and I know was just taking handfuls of pills to keep from getting “dope sick”. I wanted out. I wanted HELP!! A cable installer came to my house and we got to talking about pills. He mentioned a similar story and turned me on to “Methadone and Methadone clinics”. My first thought was “but I don’t do Heroin”. He quickly explained that methadone was for ANY opiate addiction and to give it a try for help. I was curious and desperate for relief. I went to a “clinic” and was looked over and within 20 minutes and $50 later was dosed on 20mgs. of methadone. Again all the friendly lost feelings of getting “high” where back. I was taken aback by this because here now was a clinic giving me “legal dope” for $50 a week. The next day I returned for my medicine and was asked “Do you need more?”. I could not believe my ears. Without even seeing a Dr. I was able to increase my dose just on saying yes when in all the 20 mgs. was fine and kept me free from withdrawals all day and night. Well, soon and just like that I was now on 200 mgs. YES two hundred. I now was higher than a kite. It was not until I hit that amount that they said If I “needed more” i would need to see their Dr. Ok so this went on for 12 (TWELVE) years and $31,200 dollars later I was so messed up on Methadone that I had lost countless jobs,friends,family,girlfriends, and a criminal charge. You name it I burned up all bridges for the sake of staying on methadone. I tried to get off but I was so far high on my dosage and my mind that getting off was improbable. Determined to stop this madness I refused to take the shit. Well, I tried to commit suicide and was put into a Psych ward for a month. Here enters the next masked bastard Suboxone. A psychiatrist had seen my unbelievable dope sickness and suicide attempt and put me on 8 mgs Sub twice a day. It was a miracle drug. It removed all traces of illness and agony and pain. VERY CAUTIOUS about this medicine I stabilized for 4 months on it and then remembering the hell of methadone wanted to get off. So I went to a “professional Detox”. They quickly brought me from 8mgs to 6,4,2 and then from there jumped off. The first two days were agony. CONSTANT yawning to the point I was in jaw pain and earaches/headaches from TMJ (tempor-mandibular joint pain). Restless legs syndrome so no sleep for me. Body aches,vomit,bowel issues you name it. I have to admit tho it was nothing like methadone withdrawals. Painful yes, but “tolerable”. After 7 days of no Suboxone I was released. When I got home I realized I had left over strips of Sub from my Dr. I relapsed an instantly took 4mgs. Sorry for the length of my story but it felt somewhat theraputic to get it out blindly. Here came your website. I will NOT repeat the past and am doing my own detox with left over strips of my Suboxone. I will follow this protocol to the “T” and will not deviate, adjust, or fall back. I have wasted 15 years on pills and the poison called methadone. Those clinics in my opinion should be outlawed. Nothing but legal dope pushers and money making for the owners/DR’s all the way to their bank at the expense of people trying to get help. Although I knew what I had to do and cut my strips into ever smaller pieces, THANK YOU for this information!!! More people need to be FULLY educated on any type of opiate addiction and the alternatives of treatment before they dive in. I paid a VERY HIGH price for my carelessness and and very wiser to the game now. I have become a anti-methadone advocate and tell whomever I can about my horror story. I am now a grateful soon to be completely clean human being with my mental well-being restored to almost the day before I took that first Vicodin.
    SEMPER D’ORE all the way. People stay focused and diligent!
    THANK YOU………

  84. Shari! So sorry for the delayed response. The blog has been victimized by Russian spammers and I’ve had to go through and erase all of the spam which took me a couple days of work. Nevertheless, I apologize for the delayed response.

    First off, you are definitely not alone and I cannot tell you how many people have been “cut off” for one reason or another. This only intensifies the issues surrounding Suboxone. This is due largely in part to the maximum amount of patients that any one doctor can take. So a LOT of people get caught in your situation.

    Coming down from 32 is a big amount for sure but I have heard that if one is to get cut off and have to go cold turkey that (in many cases) it is easier to come straight off a high dose than a lower one. I have absolutely no clue as to why this happens but I have heard of several people who have had an easier time coming off of a high dose like yours.

    Apparently you are in a lot of discomfort and I’m sorry again that you’re going through this.

    I would highly recommend that you stay in touch with your primary care doctor so that they are aware of your situation and already have your medical history on file. This will help them account for some of your existing medical conditions and perhaps make adjustments in treatment. You can also ask them to write you some prescriptions for RX drugs that can help take the edge off. Things like Neurontin (Gabapentin), Clonidine, and even some benzodiazepines for rest. You need to be careful about the benzos (Xanax etc.) because they can be habit forming as well.

    I would also encourage you to follow our Withdrawal Survival Guide to the best of your ability. The product can certainly help as well.

    I know that this is a scary time for you Shari; it’s a horrible feeling. but the good thing is that there is a beginning and end to all of this and within a month’s time or so, you should be feeling a LOT better. I’d be eager to hear how you are doing so shoot me a note at and mention your comments. That way we can talk in private. My apologies again for the delayed response…blame it on the Russians!!

  85. Thomas Landers says:

    Reading your information was interesting yet scary. I don’t think there is a person in the Country who has been on the drug as long as I have been. The drug started out in the UK and then trials began at Mass General Hospital. I started on the drug shortly after this time. Only 30 prescribing Doctors were allowed 30 patients each in Mass. Suboxone was touted as a miracle cure and waiting lists were long to see a Doctor. Its hard to remember exactly when I first started Suboxone. I believe around 2000 or 01. I’m 50 now and have struggled with alcohol and drugs since I was 14. My memories not great. I could tell so many stories about bad Doctors and bad practices. Most, only taking cash and in large amounts. I took Suboxone for a few years from 2001 (?) -2003 (prescribed 16-24 mg per day). I stopped and started using opiates again. I started using Suboxone (new Doctor) again in 2005 (16mg per day). I continued seeing the same Doctor until 2013. I had been weaned down to 3mg (prescribed) per day the last couple years. I believe the only reason I was weaned down was due to my usualy high benzo levels. However, I always bought more in the street and averaged 6-8mg per day. I have not seen a prescribing Doctor for over a year now. However, I continue to take 4-10 mg per day. I’ve made several serious attempts to get off. They never worked. I never gave myself enough time or structure. It makes me very nervous thinking about how long it will take me to comfortably detox. I think I’m somewhat of a test pilot (length/amount of use). I’ve even thought of using dope to wean off the Suboxone. That’s insanity. At this point, I think my only hope is getting back in a decent clinic and planning on a one-two year detox. Suboxone, if prescribed and monitored properly can still be a good answer for opiate abuse. The system is seriously flawed. I wish everyone on here good luck. ThankYou for posting your information. Tom (Boston)

  86. I have been takink 8mgs of subutex for last 2 years. I finally made decision to get completly off them. I made quick jump from that to 1.5mgs a day” within a week” just completly getting off and having to work and be a father has been extremely hard. But have read your detox plan FOR suboxone and am ordering your wthdrawl ease. Will be staying in touch to let you no how everything goes. Hopefully, this will help when i completly jump off!

  87. I know exactly how scary it is and am going through it right now please email me we can help each other! Sending you gentle hugs!

  88. I agree Ginger! I am a four year heavy user(blues,norcos, benzos, dope), and other drug classes as well all throughout my life, but I have made a decision to change. Coming off dope has become the primary goal in my life now. Withdrawal sucks! I did taper off of subs, but did not have enough to do it correctly. Oh well! Will power people! We need to change our perspective, and realize how much we really DON’T WANT this shit! I have found that forgiving myself and focusing on future/positive life has given me a great motivation. Even right now, with money in my pocket while i want to die and feel like hell, i don’t even want to make that phone call to that guy who could bring me something. BREAK THE PATTERN AND BE LIBERATED! Hopefully someone out there needed a little kick in the pants from a fellow sufferer. Best of luck, friends!

  89. John gladstone says:

    What is norco?

  90. Hi All:

    THis man speaks the truth! First, subs are useful for serious addicts, but they prescribed to people who would do just as well to detox, particularly if they are lower dose pain meds.

    So for me suboxone saved my life period. I started on illegal pharmies and wound up on serious IV dope.

    Second, you have to GO SLOW when you detox. You might think, shoot, 1/32 of a 8 mg? That’s just mental. But it’s not. It’s .25 mgs of bupes. And to from .25 to nothing will hurt little.

    I recommend the six month taper.

    Finally, a word of caution. It’s easy after a while on suboxone to start thinking about the full monty, the holy grail of 100% abstinence. But be careful. I came off of subs successfully and enjoyed a few weeks in the sun of recovery. Then I relapsed. It happened suddenly in one way, slowly in another.

    So I think you need to have more than just a goal of “not taking subs.” You have want real recoverty, which for most real addiccts means some kind of long term treatment: AA and NA are te big ones, but there are other methods, too. But for most addicts I have known and for myself, just quitting something is not enough.

    My long term plan includes a period of stabilization on subs, followed by the six month program of tapering. During both stabilization and tapering, I will continue to see my shrink and work a program of recovery. For whatever reason, even though I don;t agree with all the fantatics there, I get a lot out of AA, so I will be doing that too. PLus I have a network of friends to whom I am accountable who want me sober and want sobriety for themselves. Even though we practice different programs of recovery, we support each other. It took a community of people to keep me high (think of the dealers and user pals I had…had to have because you never know who’s holding, who’s going to jail, who’s quitting, whatevs…), so it takes a community of people to be free from dope use and booze.

    Anyhow, just some basic thoughts there.

    Get clean with suboxne. Slow taper. Recovery program.

  91. I have been on subs for almost 4 years starting out from Vicodin I started taking one half sub in morning one half in afternoon and one half at night well it’s 3 years later and I’m so sick of it controlling my life at this point in life I’m taking about 1/16 of a sliver in morning and one 1/16 sliver around 3 pm it’s barely nothing but if I do not take it it feels terrible no motivation at all I will try to do some more tapering and get rid of this nasty habit . In a good note I also have been taking xanax for 5 years i tapered those from 2-3 blue xanax per day down to half of a half over a 1 month period and had a headache for two nights and nothing else really very little withdrawal symptoms and I’ve heard that xanax are terrible to get off of so I was very scared but I did it and I feel great it has been 3 weeks off Xanax now to the subs

  92. Ginger i just got through reading your post..and fixing to get started and scared thus is not my first rodeo….but ready yo ride again…wish me luck!!

  93. It’s interesting to see how very few people seem to ask for advice in the past few years I’m on my seventh day without suboxone I’ve been on suboxone for about 2 1/2 years though I became thoroughly addicted to opioid pain medication at 14 years old. My tapering regimen for getting off was a while in the making, the majority of my close friends are or were on the drug with the support from them the process has been unequivocally less harsh. As with any type of detoxification support systems are always going to be the most important weapon you have against relapse.

  94. Joseph Daley says:

    I believe in your method I jumped abot 2 months ago im at 1mg and about to drop to half, I take only once a day so pharmacist says im doing good but believes I’ll be on it the rest of my life (yeah right) so here’s were it gets tough ima try n find Withdrawal ease and take it from there. I was on Norco for about 5years and Suboxone 4 yrs I’m 33 had cancer10 years ago never took any pain meds through chemotherapy (8months) then months later I started popping Norco WTF, But thank you for your advice I didn’t know where to go from here,now I do thank you Joe S.Side CHICAGO

  95. Hi John. Norco is simply Hydrocodone in stronger form. Hydrocodone can come in a variety of combinations of Hydrocodone and Acetaminophen (5/500, 5/325 etc.). Norco contains 10mg Hydro and typically 325mg of Acetaminophen. Same ice cream…just a double scoop!

  96. Hopefully, some people will find this useful as they try to detox, I’m ordering withdraw easy today because I’m down to crumbs. Praying I can get off this Shit..will let you know :)

  97. I been on suboxone for 3 years i take a sixth of the 8mg strip a day. Sometimes i may take an extra 6th in evening due to juggling college n work. I am excited to have found this website and am looking forward to taperi g down suggested

  98. Crystal Rutherford says:

    I would like to say that I love this website. As a long time addict my husband and I have done this together. I would like to say that George knows what he is talking about so if all the people will remain calm don’t panic. I been from dilidids to heroin and from heroin to methodone… From methodone back to pain pills and from there to suboxone. We cold turkey quit this is crap and it is mind over matter. Yes it is rough and very physical and mental. It can be done! With just your mind! It is not easy but thank you all for sharing and if you need help get it but make sure like George says have your extra life line available. U can not safely do it alone for mental reasons and physical as well. I don’t know how long it takes just know that it is possible if you are willing. Prayers with you all!

  99. wow. I have been there and it is scary. I sure hope all worked out for you. I am praying for us a healthy 2015. Free from this never ending plight .

  100. I was about to give up,because it’s most most most diff a rip off by the prescribing doctor . I can’t stress that enough . He’s ,or at least mine is. Hes a totally rude smart a…. When ever I bring it up,about ,hey time to get off,and have been,for why to long ? He says out right ridiculous things. Like unintelligent replies ,more like trying to one up you,then helping you. Here’s my honest to god truth ,in what he told me. ” they say ,just take your self down enough to keep your insanity. Now that’s really helping ? Not!

    “He’s Mr smart a… Mr.tough guy . Preaches the NA/AA 12 steppers ,because he’s a former boozer ! I’m here to tell all ,hey if that’s your thing? More power to you! Personally ,I think it’s a pitty pool party . With the old timers sitting back,with lots of time using the all famous ” I’m clean and sobar” just keep coming back” No teeth ,no wonder right!

    If You need that it,as they set back listening to all our hard luck stories . And telling you how this works ,keep coming back ! Bull sh…t pitty pool party ,far as I’m concerned and many more like me. Feel exactly the same ! Most go because they are court appt.

    What everyone needs ,is diff! Me speaking ,in my opinion is .George ,”Withdrawal Ease ” and most diff he’s “Survival Quide ,to getting off opiates ” is the absolutely the best info I have gotten!
    Please when this is over ,I would like to keep going to holidays with family and having a beer. For One !
    I come under that class B,. Meaning I broke bones ,and lots of them. So no,I don’t need preaching in how to live my life ,and or reprogram it. Why ? I’m fine ,I’m just like this guy here. On it way to long ,and the doctors a scam!
    I Totally have a wonderful wife ,three grown beautifully highly intelligent daughters and a wonderful ,wonderful Son inlaw, and my ,
    Aunt and my one very smart uncle ,and my cousins ,when told . Will be totally 100% behind me. So no hard luck story here,other then what this gentlemen here said. Been on it too,little over six years.
    And $150s a pop for a jerk of a doctor and the pharmaceuticals making on Suboxone ,alone ? $155 billion dollars on that medicine Alone ,last year! Yeah thats who’s got us.

    And George is going to basically ,Save us! Not god ,not Mr,Sponser ,who just enjoying telling you your a F .up,but keep coming back ,and we’ll save you. Hell no! Do the program 12 step and tell me all your woos! Jesus meanwhile he’s probably a broke weany. No teeth ,and doesnt have a pot to piss in,except his ego listening to you wean.Or maybe he does,but I surly can think of better things more healthier things to do. Then get bummed out listeing to everyone’s ,hard luck stories. Half. Think are addicted to just getting up there talking. This is what works and knowing that? yes these doctors ? That prescribe this Suboxone ? And take no vitals ,no weight check , no hey how you doing ? Ready to get off this? Just are taking are money !

    Yes some need to stay on it longer.Because they’re just Either looking at death ,or jail. And need to be on it long time. But the ones who come under that class B as they call it . Meaning ,they actually went through surgeries ,got into bad bad car accidents etc,cancer etc,,or me Skydiving accident ! Oh hell no,no longer then two scripts .!
    Hell we already suffered goung through the first huge withdrawal,getting off the FENTYNAL . No need really to stay on more then really a one month .. Hmmm actually now that I think of it!
    Listen to this ,they didn’t even really make it a point . To tell me ,look ,don’t use this Suboxone until your into full withdrawals. Nope ,I did,and OMG ! I suffered .
    Hell I didn’t need this for six years. This is the first time tis week . That I found out about George and his “Withdrawal Ease” just this past week. 57 and I trusted this doctor ,when I should have did my own studying up on this medicine . And thankfully I Found George’s blogs ,which really is what I’m thinking besides the Withdrawal ease . He just has valuable info. Just completely helps and listens and made a superior product . Excuse me for NA/ AA BASHING! Maybe I’m so upset with this doctor that I’m taking it out on what’s he thinks worked for him? Why not ,nothing else does he bring to the table ,but that and a script.
    But some off us? Don’t need reprogramming ! Nor hours spent listening to him preach ! Science ,not sharing my life story,with really anyone other then my family ! And this? Most dff ,this is a physical dependency issue ,with proper knowledge ,like George’s we can beat it. By no means ,am I a spokemen for Withdrawal Ease. Just a man that lucked out and came across his website ,then read up on George and here I am. Brutal honesty . Fix yourself ,and just let him and his team help . He recommends getting his product ,near the end of your taper,and that’s just what,I am going to do! As well ,as writing in periodically letting others know my feelings and thoughts ,as we all go through this all toghther ,like a team!” Team Withdrawi Ease” they probably won’t let my thoughts be seen ,but brutal honesty is what we sometimes need ! Thanks all RLTW

  101. Iam so very greatful I found this I have been askin myself how would I go about detoxing . Thanks to you George now I have a method that I know will work . Thank you so much for sharing hopefully in 6 mths i can report back feeling more freedom than i have in 20 yrs.

  102. Nick! Thank you so much for the kind words! I’ve tried my best to make this website useful even if you do not end up spending a nickel. I think we’ve accomplished this and I certainly will do all that I can to continue to create more valuable information on this horrible epidemic. As far as AA, I have had many family members in AA and NA so I’m not going to pass judgement; especially since I have never been to either. I can see your point and perhaps there are those that think it’s either their way or the highway but I also know that there are those that understand the stigma and the bias that some people have within both organizations. Oftentimes, it is those that are new to the program that are the most rigid about AA or NA being the singular solution. We all know that is not true but it has worked for many people so who am I to say that it doesn’t work. I respect your opinion and will continue to argue that whatever works is the best method. Simple I know but I’m a simple person!

  103. Now is the best time to get off them if you have only been on them 3 months. They put my husband on Suboxone after being on pain pills for a medical condition. At the time it was considered a wonder drug that could stop the withdrawls. We didn’t know then that this was a worse drug to be addicted to. We also didn’t know that doctors were just getting their license to give it to you to make money. Most don’t treat addiction. They kept him on it for 6 years with no sign of being off it. This caused him anxiety issues and he was put on more meds. He got tired of all of it and started tappering down. He was down to about 4mg and his doctor went on vacation with instructions that no one got any refills. He had had to do without it for 5 days, then decided to keep going, It was rough on him as well as me. Even after that many years, he started doing really well around day 10. SInce then he has also tappered off his other meds. He went from being on a total of 5 down to 2. He still gets anxious and has bad days but he is doing really well. Its been 3 weeks. I know its hard but the important thing is to drink plenty of fluids and eat well. If you don’t feel like eating much, then drink your calories. They have some good protein and fruit drinks that will help. Good luck and stay strong.

  104. hi george
    i just started subs yesterday 2mg strip, 2day i did 1.75 ,2morrow ima do 1.5 and so on, you get the picture. i just order w/d ease 2day and soon as i get it im going to get into my system then im going to stop the subs i should b dwn to .5 mg dose per day mybe even .25mg my goal is to stop the subs in 14 days. im a independent bread vender and i only get 1 day off a week there is no time off 4 me and i need the w/ds to b minimal so i can do my job
    b4 i did the subs i was 36 hours clean and wow the wds were barley tollerable to work .
    i could not sleep and my brain was all over the place .i wont relapse ,i just cant handle the wds, i need my brain 4 my job
    do u think this process will have minamal wd effect on me
    ty mike

  105. Hi Mike. Did you just start Suboxone in order to help you detox from pills? If you just started, you should get off as quickly as your doctor thinks it wise. To make a generalization, there is “Suboxone Detox” and “Suboxone Therapy”. A Suboxone detox is a short course of Suboxone to help reduce opiate withdrawal symptoms (or minimize them). In my mind, this is what a majority of people who take Suboxone should do (or have done). I say this because I believe that there are WAY too many people on Suboxone therapy maintenance for years and it can cause some very debilitating withdrawal symptoms due to its long half-life.

    Many of those who take a short course of Suboxone; a “Suboxone Detox” usually do ok if they taper down quickly and stop in a few weeks. The Suboxone detox is usually started at a much higher dose though (32mg being on the very high end). In any case, a person using Sub for detox just tapers down over the next few weeks and then stops. If you are only using it for this purpose, you should taper and stop as quickly as you can. Many of those that adhere to this timeline with Suboxone can get by with lower acuity, less severe withdrawal symptoms. Don’t think that I’m calling it a cure-all; you still have to go through a detox. But Suboxone can help make it easier.

    If you and your doctor think you can manage with the short Suboxone detox then you should. If your doctor disagrees, I would ask him/her to “double-check on the research” because you read that this may be a beneficial option. You will need to word this carefully with your doctor so watch your step. If they are adamant then follow their instructions; they’re your doctor.

    That’s what I think. Ha.


  106. oh boy. this sounds like a nightmare. i thought I was doing so well, being so “good” by taking only a very small amount of suboxone twice a day. Have done this for about 4 years, consistently. It seems to help me, give me energy, whatever. I began taking suboxone after a many years long battle with various pain meds and was prescribed suboxone strips back then it was 8 mg. per day. I tapered down to the small amount I take now cuz I was cancelled by Medicaid, and now Im sure not gettin em from the Doc. So now I find out its much worse to withdraw from SMALL amounts , and the intensity and longevity seem monumental. I cant, no way, be sick for that long. I work too hard & too much to have this affect my money making ability. fucking scary. Why hasnt more research been done? How do Docs get away with this? I planned to taper myself down, before I even found this site & I know I can do it, but I only have 2 8mg strips left and dont plan on getting more. Cant afford them and they’re really scarce. Dont have insurance either. So what Im lookin at is a complete horrorshow for the next month or longer, right? I planned to cut my strips into various sizes and end up with about 16 pieces, big to tiny. According to my plan and all Ive read here, I’m really naive about whats in store for me, right? that won’t be enough, and I’m probably in for some serious suffering. I cant believe it. I thought I’d be fine with the small amts I take. My question is, do I have enough to do a taper down with what I have? I dont think I can get more, I dont want to especially now after all this scary info Im reading here. I cant afford to get the Withdrawl Ease stuff but I want it. A friend told me to do the taper method, but use magnesium & potassium. Is that an alternative? Is your product a select grouping of vitamins? I would love to buy it, I appreciate what you are doing, am so grateful. but broke & freaking out. Thanx. any advice would be helpful.I believe in prayer and healthy shit so I know Im a tough woman, but this is a lil scary over here. Damn drugs. Peace you wonderful crazy addicts!! You are loved.

  107. Just one little thing i want to add and maybe you might want to edit it into your article. As you mentioned in your article, getting down to the .25 – 2 mg range is quite difficult when dealing with the 8mg tablets. (as far as taking the correct amount of medication and not feeling shorted as you said before.) My method will make this a walk in the park. Go out to a smokeshop or gunshop, Buy yourself a powder scale. (It HAS to be one that measures to the hundredth). Weigh your full suboxone 8mg pill. (I have the 8mg pill that says 54 111 on it. It weighs .40-.41, Now all you need is simple math. Now weigh your doses for your weekly pill container (old person pill box) so in my case .40 is 8mg which would make .10 = 2mg//// .05= 1mg /////// basically each .01 of powder would equal out to .2 mg of suboxone and you would never feel like you have shorted yourself.

  108. I noticed in the suboxone article that you said that suboxone is not a good pain medication. You are wrong about that, buprenorphine is a much stronger pain reliever then even morphine and it relieves pain for a much longer period of time. I take suboxone for pain control and it works great and it’s also nice because I don’t feel drugged on suboxone like you might from other pain medications. I agree with you that it’s important to taper over a long period of time with suboxone. It has an amazing half life. I’m kinda skeptical about how much relief you can get while withdrawing from suboxone with just vitamins and herbs. Maybe the herb marijuana would lesson your misery but many don’t want to do that. What vitamins and herbs are you using? Thanks.

  109. Anthony Pizzi says:

    Hey Shari, first off I just want too tell you that no matter how bad it gets, it WILL get better. The dose your jumping off at is incredibly high, exactly twice as high as the dose I had to jump off at (16mg per day) but it IS POSSIBLE. I wont sugar coat it, your in for hell and then some, but one thing I cant stress enough and it saved my life is cannabis. Marijuana is the main reason I got through withdrawals. It helped with the pain, the anxiety AND MOST IMPORTANTLY the insomnia. If your not a marijuana smoker that’s totally fine, I wasn’t either before I withdrew but it was recommended too me and I wasn’t about too say no to something that could potentially help me. Give it s shot. I got clean and haven’t smoked since. I truly believe weed shouldn’t even be classified as a drug, considering it had many more positive affects than negative. God bless and I hope it all works out for you my friend.

  110. Hey everyone, I was in your shoes.. I felt compelled to comment since I used to check this site out while contemplating how I could get off this shit. Well, mind over matter people. I worried day in and day out before I eventually told myself I would do it, no matter what. This too shall pass. I thought it was going to be hell. If you can believe it, I felt no symptoms at all.. That’s after 5 yrs.. Yes, you read that right.. I ordered withdrawal ease but barely used a weeks supply, just in case. Here’s the trick as George said: slow and consistent taper. I tapered, in essence, over a yr or more. I knew I had to keep dropping down but I did it slow enough that I never felt crappy.. I got down to 1/32mg (crushed into powder/lines, use up finger to put under tongue) and was there for about two months. I got a cold a few weeks ago and decided to jump for whatever reason. To my disbelief, a day went by and another day and I felt ok! I was so happy to have conquered the battle that whatever tired feeling I had didn’t matter. Also, cleaning up your diet and exercise probably helps a lot. Just wanted to reassure those of you who are freaking out, it’s totally do-able. I read a similar comment when I visited the site the first time and it was inspirational. Hopefully this serves the same purpose. Don’t give up, don’t give in! You got this.


  111. Thanks for this post Anthony. I’ve heard from many folks who have used marijuana for opiate withdrawal symptoms. If it works for symptoms like depression, insomnia and appetite then I do not see why it should not be considered. I may write a blog post about this because it’s an interesting topic now that marijuana has begun to gain acceptance as a medicinal adjunct. Of course, those who have moral objections or just don’t like the thought of it that’s fine. It’s a dialogue that should be explored nevertheless.

  112. Thanks for the advice Kris! I must admit that I chuckled at the gunshop comment…people in the throes of Suboxone withdrawal (even if tapering) probably don’t belong in a gun store. But the scale idea is a good one so I appreciate it.

  113. Hi Jake. I suppose we must agree to disagree on Suboxone as a pain reliever.
    Buprenorphine, the primary ingredient in Suboxone is a potent partial agonist and on a volume basis is more “potent” than morphine. However, there is often confusion as to the difference between “Burprenorphine” and “Suboxone.” Suboxone contains a 4:1 mix of Buprenorphine and Naloxone (aka Narcan). The naloxone is meant to establish a ceiling effect for the Buprenorphine thereby inhibiting its potential for abuse. This also significantly inhibits Buprenorphine’s narcotic effects as well as its ability to relieve pain. There ARE pain medications comprised exclusively of Buprenorphine such as Butrans which are transdermal patches indicated for chronic pain but not acute pain. So, while you may be correct that pound for pound Buprenophine is more potent than morphine, that does not suggest that it is a more effective pain reliever. This is especially true when you factor in the Naloxone which inhibits Buprenorphine’s abilities.
    When you think about it, if Suboxone were so effective as a painkiller (and we also have not really gone into the “type” of pain we are talking about here) then I would think it would be used almost exclusively for acute pain due to the fact that it is so hard to overdose on and the body does not build up a tolerance to it. Vicodin, Oxycodone and others would be out of a job pretty quickly if Suboxone was such an effective painkiller for these reasons. Ultimately, I’m glad that it works for you but I think there’s some confusion as to the difference between Buprenorphine and a drug like Suboxone that contains Buprenorphine. I don’t mean to sound like a smarty pants and I may have confused some of my chemistry above but I believe that “Suboxone” is not a very effective pain reliever or else it would be marketed as such.

  114. Jack! What a great example of determination and discipline…legendary in fact. People…take Jack’s words to heart and do your best to taper slowly. Jack was exceptionally compliant with his taper and he was richly rewarded. This is not to suggest that everyone will have the same experience but I think one of the most important points that Jack makes is the fact that you can spend months/years wringing your hands over whether or not to quit and it doesn’t have to be that scary when you have a plan and start executing it.

  115. Kevin Free says:

    You know, I have friends that take suboxone and so do I because we have opiate addictions. Yet what angers me is the fact that they assume that the only way to get off of subs is to get a few roxies and ween off that way. I mean that “MIGHT” work, if you have self-control and only do little bits, but if you started taking subs because of a roxy problem then it sounds like it isn’t going to work. So I tell them to taper off, best method, it’s how I do it, but they can’t face the fact that life is full of shitty feelings and they don’t even want to have the tiniest bit of shitty feeling in them. Laziness if you ask me. But getting back to my point, tapering off of them and skipping days just seems smart…. “Oh but you can’t do that!” That’s the only response I get from them, not even a try to do it, just it’s impossible so I’m going to get back on the drug that caused all my life problems in the first place. Not sure how to handle these dumbasses.

  116. before I even read this website, I tapered myself down to 1/16 a day for approximately 2 weeks. I was dismissed from my clinic for a false positive for benzodiazepines (???not even part of my drugs of abuse, no idea where to obtain any!!!) my street connection dried up as well. Suboxone was originally prescribed to me as a chronic late stage alcoholic with untreatable depression and periods of opiate abuse. Suboxone was a miracle drug! I felt NORMAL. I should have read the epilogue. THERE ISNT ONE. There are no studies about what happens to patients in Post Acute Suboxone Withdrawal. The AMA and the FDA do not even recognize it! There is no treatment for it! I guess my alcoholism presents a more difficult problem. I drank for 3 days JUST to get into rehab; the attending psychiatrist there put me on Suboxone in the 1st place. In fact, his website touts him as a Buprenorphine Expert! Well, these days DR PAUL R… (Sorry, I need to keep these folks anonymous! – George) is very shut mouth on the subject-a little mumbo jumbo about the DEA is as close as he comes.
    I can barely function. I am in a constant state of extreme anxiety, blood pressure and heart rate: way off the chart. At the ER, since PAWS from Suboxone doesn’t exist, I’m a psych case, put under observation until Mobile Crisis calls and I promise I’m not suicidal or homicidal. They give me a Vistaril & lead me out. Trying to hydrate it out of me. Like I said, I have NO CONNECTIONS to anything. Primary Care Physicians cut me off long ago. I may stroke out or have a heart attack. Diarrhea, nausea, body aches, child stuff; I’ve come off of IV OxyContin. This is much much worse. The doctors don’t tell you because they don’t know and they don’t want to know because they are all getting PAID. If I get through this, I intend to launch a social media campaign. Who’s with me?

  117. Yes, awesome info and we definitely thank you. Yet you say sooo much, and nothing at all basically about the withdrawl-Ease medication. Does it help with the restless leg and hot/cold sweats?? It talks so much about tapering off which I’m already doing. But I can’t just stop my legs feel terrible. Does this medication help with anything? …I’m on the medications site but it says nothing about it lol

  118. Jack Delphi says:

    Jack Delphi here. Was about three years fairly heavy Roxy dependence. Could do anywhere from 90-240 mg of Miss Roxy a day. I’m on day eight of a regiment, just so happens I found your site here on day eight.

    I received 16mgs of BUPE 8 days ago as I decided it was time to move on, after dating Roxy for three years, it just got to repetitibr. Anywho the first 8mgs lasted 8 days. Started with 1mg the first day, was absolutely amazed by the effectiveness(I put my self on a once a day ween) . I have done them in the morning. I am about to start going every other day. I think I’m down to about .4 mg right now. I’m taking tomorrow off. Then(which in just learned from your method), I’m going to switch up the time I take it when I take it two days from right now.

    Some things that helped me. I stocked up on the following

    1.Magic Bullet smoothie maker
    – been started my days with am epic smoothing of greens, little bit of fruit, Greek Yogurt, flax seed, hemp seed, then fill it up with unsweetened Trader Joes almond milk.
    * this blast of nutrients every morning can only help(has for me)

    2. Some quality THC, either in oil or flower form. If you have the ability, get a nice indica(night time sleep inhibitor, relaxation, body wellness)
    And also a nice Sativa ( more of a uplifting energetic strain. I’ve found that getting that little mental boost helps me see the beauty in everything around me, it also can sometimes help with the slight PAW feeling that has come on a few times

    3. Valium. Hey you might not agree, but I’ve used a little here and there if I get anxious or before bed.

    4. Adderol- I own a business and it is very demanding, I need to make sure I’m on top of my game, so this helps with that
    * I use 3 & 4 sparingly and I believe they will come in hang when I completely finish my 16mg BUPE taper regiment .

    5. Last but not leasr, I have some Meang DA Kratom in the freezer, its a top quality kratom I can assure you. I have used itnonce over the last eight days. On day three after work I was feeling it. Took about 3grams of my kratom… Everything was all good.

    So that’s it.

    TL:DR Dated Roxy for three/four years pretty serisously. Using 16mg of BUPE over at 30 period. ( prob have 1-2mg’ that I won’t need to take) I have a cocktail of other meds that have been crucial for me. Staying busy, eating healthy, thinking positive thoughts and knowing I’ll won’t ever see Roxy again by this for this upcomimg Spring. Good luck people. I’m on Day Eight, might be a couple tough days ahead, but I’m already mentally there. The Cherry Wood Tree Bloom in my hood this spring will be the most meaningful of my adult life. Can’t wait.

  119. Hi Sere. Over the past 6 years, I’ve heard many, many things but I have never had someone suggest that I talk too little about Withdrawal Ease! I think if you navigate onto the main portion of the site, you’ll find plenty of info on the product. I try to keep my blog a bit more agnostic when it comes to the content and promoting Withdrawal Ease. In many ways, this content and the comments generated from this content are ALL part of the product that we provide. I can say the same thing for the Survival Guide. It’s easy to put a website up and sell a product like Withdrawal Ease; a few companies are doing just that right now! The hard part is writing all of this content and having is be useful and engaging. As you may have noticed, I like to use humor as opposed to being over-the-top “harness your power!” self help style. Nevertheless, I was actually pleased to read your comments because I want the content to stand on its own. You don’t have to buy Withdrawal Ease to get value from the site.

  120. After being on Methadone for over 5 years, I decided to taper down but did so too quickly. When I began with the physical withdrawals over 30 days ago, I switched to suboxone. I have been on sub for about 30 days and tapered down to about 1/2 mg. Today is my second day of being on Withdrawal Ease, and I am not feeling well. I had been in full detox in the past, and this is not even close to the misery I experienced back then. Today’s symptoms are feeling lethargic, a bit of an upset stomach, and I cannot eat anything. I know that I am in withdrawal and pray this ends sooner rather than later. As I said, I cannot even imagine the miserable physical withdrawals I would be experiencing without the use of Withdrawal Ease. My primary concern with the withdrawal symptoms is that this will last many more days, and I will jump back on sub or methadone to relieve this feeling. I am staying strong, but I cannot do much today other than lay in bed.

  121. Hi Everyone,

    There seems to be a lot of negative about suboxone. Unlike a lot of people, I went into sub treatment knowing that i was trading one addictive substance for another. But I didn’t look at it that way. I saw opiates as a recreational drug that i was trying to get off of and the problem for me was never stopping the opiate, it was that it never lasted because after i got through withdrawal i would go back because i wanted to get high… so it was just a constant stop and start again. What subs did for me was to break that cycle. while I was taking subs i could not get high (unless i stopped for about 4 days so it would get out of my system). I would never make it 4 days because my moment of weakness (wanting to get high) would never last 4 days. Sure, when i stopped subs the withdrawal sucked but when it was over I didn’t have any moments of weakness because that cycle / habit was broken during the 2 years i was on subs. I think the subs, no, I know the subs worked in my case. You just have to go in with the right mind set…

    my two cents.


  122. I am at .5mg Sub now (it is hard to get that w/ 12mg films)
    I have only 2 days at that dose so I am going to stay on it for a while .
    The question I have is what would be the best antidepressant to take at this time
    I have been treated for depression for a long time and the meds work for me . I am presently on 225mg Effexor and 150mg of Wellbuterin . Is there some type of antidepressant that would work better for Sub withdrawal ? Comments from anybody would be appreciated

  123. Hi Ron. I believe that there are some pretty good “images” of size/mg for Sub films. You just need to Google Suboxone films and I think you’ll find some images that give you a pretty good idea of what you need to cut in order to get to .5 By the way, .5 is probably a good jump off point anyways. But that is definitely up to you.

    I’m not a psychiatrist so I’m not sure what might be best for you. Based on my own personal experience with anti-depressants, it sounds like you’re on a pretty hefty dose of anti-depressants to begin with. I’ve heard that anti-depressants are something that are bit of trial and error. Some drugs work better for some people than others. I’m a BIG fan of neurontin for withdrawal symptoms and it can also help with depression. Sorry that I could not be more definitive but it seems like you are pretty well taken care of in the anti-depressant arena. But if those are not working for you, by all means tell your doctor and perhaps they can prescribe something else.

  124. Kevin Tynan says:

    George, I don’t think you have tried this taper yourself.! I really. Don’t know. Why you would post it except to fill your sales quota are preaching to people who are at the end of their rope, you come along with. Your advice,what makes you an authority, because you’ve detoxes.people have been lied to concerning suboxone especially,because the lowest dose available is 2mg by the manufacturer,you and your bloody taper.people ought to be told truth about suboxone .not the usual clinical approach.been there done it.

  125. Hi George,

    I finished my detox two weeks ago. Unfortunately, I had not read about Withdrawal Ease before; I set my own schedule and stuck to it. I was initially on 4 mgs and dropped to 2 without difficulty. I didn’t find tapering to be particularly difficult; it’s the last two weeks that have been hell. I snorted heroin for two months and have been on and off of Subs for 3 years. This was the longest stretch (18 months) of daily use. I take Klonopin as well (which I’ve never abused; I take 1/4 of what I’m Rx’d and plan to taper off of it next, but that’s another story), which I think may have helped a little, particularly with the anxiety and sleeplessness (though oddly enough, I haven’t been able to sleep well the last two nights).

    I find myself FIENDING like crazy. I have checked every handbag, wallet, empty pill bottle, drawers, shook out my rugs – everything hoping to find a piece. I’ve done all of these things a dozen times over. I do NOT want to be enslaved to Subs again. The addiction and withdrawal are worse than the reason I went on it in the first place. I should never have been put on them long-term. It should have been used to taper me off of the small amount of heroin I snorted for only two months. I went to rehab I was so afraid of the withdrawals everyone warned me about. In retrospect, I should have stayed home and sweated it out. Now, millions of other opiate receptors have been created, all begging for something to attach itself to them.

    I wish I knew about Withdrawal Ease three weeks ago. Perhaps I wouldn’t have moments of suicidal ideations or fear of leaving my apartment (note: I would admit myself to the hospital before ever doing anything to harm myself. I know it’s part of my withdrawals and quickly snap myself back into reality, or my current state of sub-reality). But, each day does get a little easier. I was able to eat a sandwich yesterday and today do dishes. I’m not so cobwebby that I can’t write a coherent comment. I’m able to tolerate being in a room without air conditioning (my bedroom is the only one that does have it, which is where I’ve spent most of the last two weeks). I just want my life back again.

  126. These types of extended taper schedules are intended to avoid withdrawal symptoms as one reduces the dose. I think if you ask anyone who has come off of 8mg of Sub a day cold turkey, they would tell you that they had wished they had tapered… I’m sorry but I cannot for the life of me figure out why I am the bad guy in this equation. Believe me Kevin; if I wanted to simply sell product, I wouldn’t have taken the time to write such a long article or the countless other articles that I have written on the subject. I’m not the one that lied and I’m not part of the problem. Kevin, you and I are much closer than we are apart on this subject; I can assure you that I’m not the one to blame and tapering does not help me sell product by any stretch of the imagination. At the very least, if you are going to disparage and you have a better way then by all means share!

  127. Hi Cindy. Thanks for providing some pretty vivid descriptions there! I must admit that I’ve licked the inside of a pill bottle (or two) in my day but I never thought of shaking the rug! It’s a good idea I suppose. I’m sorry I don’t mean to make light of these things but it’s amazing what you’re capable of when you really want some relief from withdrawal. You seem to be on the mend though and once that starts, you’ll begin to get more sleep and your appetite will return. Things like nutrition and hydration also help your body recuperate after detox but eating and exercise are the LAST things you want to do during withdrawal. It’s almost time to congratulate yourself on a job well done; I don’t see much rug shaking in your future. Hang in there!

  128. Hello, well first off I just wanted to say that anyone complaining about withdrawal ease and trying to better sales should just bite your tongue. Like my old man would say “don’t knock till you try it!” It’s very true cause I’ve used this product off n on and this part of my life I’m in the “forreal grow up” stage. No matter what it’s worked to take that edge off…it almost makes me wonder hahah! It’s just that good. Anywho, back to what I came to ask.
    So I’m on suboxone film. I don’t even know what mg this would be but its freakishly small, like if you put these two ( lll ) what is that? Either way I’m 9 days of doing just that one. I’m also on Xanax…but I take 2mg before I take suboxone. Everything’s jumbled up cause when I start feeling withdrawal I take withdrawal ease during the day then the night withdrawal ease but even the night w.e. I can get some sleep only for like a few hours..ok so let me get to the point. Ok without even thinking of dope (I’m so over it, I wish it was like this yrs ago! Errghh!) sorry. So what I’m askin is…can I just stop already with the suboxone? If I’m not abusing anything, not even Xanax cause that’s my next battle field but one thing at a time, maybe I can half the Xanax by 1mg in the a.m. And 1mg p.m. Can I go with that, while taking W.E.? Eventually I’m gunna have to stop taking suboxone and its tiny as hell. I know I need patience but I think I got the balls to just jump? Just wanted some advice. Thaaaankx!

  129. 32mg’s a day of subs? is that…….did i read that wrong? regardless of your prior opiate intake that led you to taking subs, 32 mg’s a day is absolutely insane and un called for, TRUST ME, you could drop from 32mg’s a day to 10-12mg’s a day and not feel ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL, i promise you this, and if your about to run out of subs, save your norco’s for when the subs are gone, cause when the buprenorphine has run its way completely out of your system, taking a half of a norco will completely end your withdrawals, and chances are get you high, which is the dangerous part of it. ANYWAY, drop your sub dose now to 10-12mg’s a day, then taper that down as much as you can handle as fast as you can handle till there gone, THEN THIS IS IMPORTANT: wait 36 hours after the full onset of withdrawals, you’ll be tired,hungry,dehydrated, sweating bullets while freezing cold, minutes will seem like hours and at this point, at around 2-230am take a half of a norco, and i promise you your body will stop bitching,be stoked on what it just recieved, and you’ll fall alseep (intake as much WATER as you can prior to passing out) you’ll sleep for around 6-8 hours……maybe less, then when you wake, do it all over again………..wait 24-36 hours,2-230am take half, drink water and pass out, do this 3 times, and when you wake after the third time, you will no longer be in withdrawals, just have paws!!!!! this will work for anyone, its a lil more painful then this website’s program, but with the understanding of withdrawals and having dealt with em you will be a lot less likely to relapse………..(IM NOT A DR. BUT I WATCH HO– USE MD, ive cold turkey’d off snorting 620mg’s a day of oxycontin, ive cold turkey’d off 20mg’s a day of hydrocodone, ive cold turkey’d 15mg’s a day methadone, and was not able to cold turkey off 4mg’s a day of subs!!!!!! LISTEN TO THIS MAN ON THIS SITE, IT WORKS!!! IF THATS NOT AN OPTION, DO WHAT I SAID ABOVE, IT WORKS!!!!))

  130. I have been off for 5 days now with the film. I never thought i could do it. at night i use a sleep aid. the first 3 days a sweat a lot. I’m am feeling pretty good at 5 days off. I was so anxious after my last little tear off piece. I am so glad that I am done and almost feel normal now. without sub I think I would have died. I was mad at Sub when I tried to just quit cold turkey and had to start back up. but now I am truly done :) you can do it too.

  131. Oh I was on the big 8mg dose then went to another dr who put me on the smaller dose. I could not even go a day without it. I ended tearing them in 1/2 then 1/4 then 1/8 every week. I tapered down using only one 30 day box. the first two days were hard to function but as I write this I feel my natural energy coming back. I could have never quit this without a taper method. I take some b12 and had a beer at the end of the first day to calm my nerves. the 2nd 3rd and 4th day kinda sucked but now I feel better and better. I have a job that is both mentally and physically hard so I was real afraid to come off it. I was a norco chewer after some surgery. thanks for the info. I only had mild cravings in the morning the first few days but the worst part was a lack of energy and anxiety of quitting. I do not have the best will power, but I am at a point where I do not want and don’t need any opiate or anything else.

  132. Mary Allender says:

    Thank you! I litterally tried to do this cold turkey! I lasted a week. Unfortunately I got rid of my pills, called my Dr. this morning & have an appointment. It’s not been pleasant to say the least! I have not left my house!

  133. I have been on suboxone for 1 year. I’m day 3 into my withdrawal process. I’m opting out of the tapering. I’ve just went with cold turkey method. I feel awful but I’m still able to get up & get to work. Although it’s a very tough to keep myself together 8-9 hours a day. While I feel like I’m falling apart. Prayers would be appreciated.

  134. I Have been an addict since I was 15 years old with METH and was sent away to a military school for bad kids and I experience my first detox without knowing that I was detoxing rather than had a bad flu. I graduated with HONORS from high school because I was sober and clean but very naïve. I started back on meth within 4 months after graduating HS and in my first semester of college. Several months later, My family intervene and I was in intensive residential treatment. During my treatment, someone finally sat me down and explain to me what detox was and the symptoms and how soon I can expect to feel better If I just hang on another day, then another and then another day, and then I finally felt like a human being taking my first breathe of fresh air on my 8th day. I promise my self I would never put myself in that situation ever again. I felt as if I went to hell then somehow came back intact. After that I had 3 years clean then I had an accident at work and needed surgery on my foot. I was prescribed #40 Hydrocodone 5/500. I was hesitant because I have seen on TV of people addicted to medicine but then I thought to myself, ” I’m a meth guy, not pills, and besides, its from a Doctor therefore its not a drug like heroin or meth, those are bad, and these are medicine” Looking back now I can’t believe how stupid I was or even in denial of the fact that I was curious and wanted to see how it feels. The decision I made to over use and take more than prescribe to get high during that time was the biggest mistake in my life. I am now 30 years old and still fighting, seeking help to get my sanity back. Time frame between age 21 to about 24 when I first head of suboxone. I had successfully white knuckle detox myself from Norco/Vic/Lortabs/Xanax about 3 times with each time learning more about myself, my body metabolic rate and approximate when I can begin to feel better. Needless to say, my sober stent were short because I may have temporary cleanse my physical body. My soul, my mind, myself and my aware of my existence was rotting away and it was too stupid and egotistical to see the signs. During my senior year in college, I had a Light Bulb moment some months before graduation that I want to be normal and no more detox pain but most importantly, I understood that having a clear mind is crucial when healthcare is your profession. I try my magic formula to detox but failed continuously, and I checked myself into a intensive residential treatment Center and it was my first time receiving a pharmacological approach to addiction treatment and recovery. I was on my Meds than my 80 years old grandmother the first 4 days, I don’t remember any details from those days except at one point I thought to myself, these people got me higher than I’ve ever been in my whole life. The Suboxone worked very well and my PAWS went away completely within 10-15 minutes. I was so amazed by how effective it was at treating PAWS and suboxone came into my work like a flu vaccine. I recommended it to all of my Opiate Addicted friends and it did change their life including mine. I was able put my education to work and was relatively happy, However one day while preparing for tax season. I itemized my visit with the Suboxone specialist plus cost of Medication and I was stunned at the amount I was spending. I ask during the next visit to try and quit cold turkey from 8mg/day to ZERO. He advised against it and suggested our normal tapering schedule however I chose to act against medical advice and took 3 weeks vacation to detox and then have some relaxing days after the works first week is over. To my disappointment, my magic formula failed and even at week 3 cold turkey. Everyday just seems to bring worsen pain and headache, insomnia and many other Symptoms of withdraws are beginning to affect my motor skill and my family decide to take me to the Subs Doctor to see him for a refill. I use to think Meth was the worst detox..But now I will give it to Suboxone/Subutex/Methadone. I resume his tapering schedule and now I am near the end. currently 1m every 24 to 36 hrs
    . I have miss feeling about suboxone however I think its cruel for Pharmacy to treat Subxone like a pack of Gum and only order when patient come or or certain strength because its what people buy most.. When was tapering down, Every Pharmacy had the stronger strength but the weaker 2 mg strip was like gold mining. I’m doing the right thing and tapering down but its not profitable to sell weaker strength even though tapering down strength is a fundamental pillar of it’s success and as a Suboxone Tapering Maintenance as a whole. If you have not use Suboxone or similar, I advise to detox without because after about5 or 6 days an the worst is over

  135. Hi George,
    Do you know any detox/treatment facilities that do the job and not treat you like a second-class citizen? After a long time on opiates, the doctors put me on Subutex 4 years ago and I’m still stuck. No one to give me emotional support. I’m now a recluse. I need to go somewhere for help. I’m barely functioning because of the overwhelming depression and feeling of worthlessness. Please advise about a truly supportive treatment center – if there is such a thing.
    Thank you,

  136. My Sub doc said that suboxone is actually a pain reliever. If it wasn’t he wouldn’t be able to prescribe it. He’s a pain management doctor not an addiction specialist. Naloxon actually blocks other narcotics. Suboxone IS bupe. It is made up of bupe and naloxone. The strips are 8mg bupe and 2mg naloxon. Of course they are not just going to stop giving out scripts of other pain meds just because another came out esp given the price of suboxone. You may want to do more research on the “it not being a pain reliever” though. It very much is and a lot of people on this blog have said they had it prescribed for pain. You can’t assume all those docs are just handing out this medication knowing their patients will not get relief. Really?

  137. This was very useful thank you very much. I’m currently on 8mg of the films and I have a Dr. Appointment Tuesday (in 2 days) and I’m not sure what the next course of treatment will be, whether he is tapering me or not but I will use this method of he is tapering me…I feel comfortable on the Subs, but I really don’t want to be on suboxone for more then a year, it’s only been 2 months I been on subs. BEST DESICION I EVER MADE! I’m 3 months clean of IV heroin! PRAISE GOD!

  138. Hi Diana. The depression is one of the worst aspects of Sub detox. It’s not really discussed enough but I know that it can be bad when coming off of Sub. That is why exercise is so critical…it’s the best anti-depressant around. I know, I know, if one more person talks about exercise you’re going to stab them with a pencil right?? Ha, well I suppose you’ll have to be mad at me but that’s really what works best. Hydration is also a very underrated detox tool. Again, painfully obvious but no one ever seems to do it because they feel so numb hearing it so many times. Don’t just drink water though…get some electrolyte tabs or some high-tech powder that replenishes. I like the NUUN tablets.

    As far as treatment centers, I only work with my local ones here in TX. I LOVE Memorial Hermann in Houston. The facility is called P.A.R.C. and its got a great clinical staff. The CEO Matt Feehry is a great guy and truly cares. They are not big proponents of Suboxone so I think they’ve made it their mission to get people off of the stuff. I’m sorry that I couldn’t be more helpful on that front.

  139. Hi Jessica. I’m not going to post your other comments because I found them to be mean-spirited and cynical. Just because some of the people here (who are doing their best to quit) are not feeling like they are in a “World of Hell” doesn’t mean they are lying or “uneducated.”

    I bet your Suboxone doctor/pain management doctor has told you a lot of things but that doesn’t mean he’s right. Pain management doctors sure are making a lot of money these days though; so good for him! It’s like the Golden age of “Pain Management” nowadays right?

    And for all of those people who were prescribed Suboxone for pain; how did that work out for them? As a pain management specialist your doctor could probably prescribe heroin if he wanted to; they can prescribe pretty much any type/schedule of narcotic. Yes, Suboxone is indicated for pain…but again, that doesn’t mean it works well. The indication is just another way for the pharma companies to make money.

    I know very well that Suboxone is a combination of Buprenorphine and Naloxone…that’s why it’s a horrible painkiller. The naloxone provides a ceiling effect and therefore turns the full agonist Buprenorphine into a partial agonist. Suboxone does not provide nearly as much pain relief as a full agonist opiate. The very reason why Suboxone is not a great narcotic is the very same reason why it does not kill acute pain. It’s not about cost either; doctors don’t use it for pain because it absolutely sucks for pain compared to Dilaudid or fentanyl. If you asked the manufacturers if they thought it was appropriate for pain I’m sure they’d tell you “yes”…they’d tell you it was good for athlete’s foot too!

    If it was straight Buprenorphine like Subutex, it might work better but still…if Suboxone was such a great drug for pain and cancer patients needed it, wouldn’t it be prescribed for them?

    Don’t disparage other people for having the guts to try and quit and don’t assume that YOU know everything just because you take it. Some people have a much easier time than others detoxing from Suboxone. I can say with relative certainty that I know more about Suboxone than you because I speak with these people every day. It sounds like I know more than your pain specialist too.

  140. Thanks for the information George. I live in the DC area and don’t know of any place in this area. I will look into that Memorial Hermann place in Houston to find out more about it.
    Thank you,

  141. Hello! My name is Debbie and I was on opiates for years and just got on Suboxone (buephinorphine) 8 mg yesterday so I’m on my way BUT I don’t want to be on it for a long time and OMG I can’t handle withdrawals…my question is what can I do to get off of it quickly without withdrawals? OMG pills consumed my life and I’ve always been into health and exercise and want my life back so any advice on what to do here? Thank u so much!!! Oh and I know I should stay on it probably just a couple months til I can beat the addiction! I’m serious about this and such a good person and can’t believe I ever started them! Started on the streets and the actually needed them for pain so had scripts but I’m done! This will be a rough road but if I can do it trust me anyone can! Just think of the sickness and that should cure u!

  142. That is so awesome to hear ur story and we can do this! It consumed our lives and we need to face REAL reality in which has been so hard for me! I can’t believe I’m 49 years old already and life has just flown by and I always did well til I started with drugs and alcohol and couldn’t believe I quit drinking cold turkey and THAT was hard let alone pills! We can do this! Keep up the faith!

  143. Hello, George. I just wanted you to know how reading all the information you so eloquently stated gave me hope. This is my second time in suboxone therapy. My insurance will no longer cover the suboxone. I have been prescribed Bunavail 4.2/0.7 mg films. These films are to be placed inside the cheek. They are relatively new so I haven’t found much information on them. I am going to a doctor who is tapering us off throughout an 8 month period. I was just wondering if you had any crucial information about the Bunavail that could help guide me through this journey. The suboxone is what saved me from a 10 year struggle with oxycodone, oxycontin, and many other opiates. I felt like I had found the answer to my prayers l. I know now that this is not a permanent solution. I desperately need advice on how to do this Bunavail. I am also very interested in your product and will place my order very soon. Thank you in advance and God Bless you.

  144. Hey Debbie, I was also on opiates for several years. I was on about 300mg of OXY daily, and about 20 months ago I went to my doctor and asked him to help me quit and he sent me to a rehab center and they put me on Suboxone too, Absolutely the worst decision I ever made! I had actually been able to wean myself off of the OXY’s a couple of years earlier by using the Thomas Recipe. You can Google it and learn more about it. I was able to taper off the pain meds and using this Thomas Recipe and it only took me a couple of weeks to do so, I had some withdraws but it was not that bad. Now quitting the Suboxone is a completely different thing all together, this stuff is BAD I should have never started taking the OXY’s again, if I had known what this Suboxone would do to me I would have never asked my doc to help with the pain meds. I just don’t understand why they think that the best way to help you kick a narcotic addiction is to start you on another narcotic! Here is the problems I have had since I started using Suboxone, not all Doctors can prescribe it and in most areas there are just a hand full of Doctors that can and they are usually associated with some clinic. So with very few Doctors these clinics just stick it to you and the Doctors are limited to how many scripts they can write, many of them wont accept Insurance so you have to pay for your office visit out of pocket and they usually only take cash, mine charges $200 a month. The next thing is once you get treatment for opiate addition everyone seems to assume you are (or were) a drug addict so if you have to go to the hospital for anything that would require them to give you something for pain many times they think you are drug seeking, and your own doctor (at least mine) acts like they are afraid to give you anything that could be habit forming from that point on, things like Xanax. If your body has a high tolerance for meds (if you were on the opiates for several years you probably do) and you do get hurt or need pain relief you are pretty much out of luck because again they think you are just trying to get your hands on some narcotics and the Suboxone sucks as far as pain relief goes especially if you already have a high tolerance. If I could give you any advice it would be this…….since you just recently started the Suboxone I would ask your doctor to help you taper off the opiates slowly, if not you may end up in the same position that I’m dealing with right now, you will find yourself trying to get off the Suboxone but now you are on a drug that is truly very hard to quit, but that’s just my opinion LOL. Good luck either way!

  145. Hi George, what a wonderful thing you’re doing to help those of us who took suboxone thinking we were doing the right thing when we felt we were in over our heads with pain medication – only to find out (in my case, 5 yrs later) that I’m now in over my head with suboxone! I have the 8mg films but only take 1/2 of the film each day. Yesterday I created (and started) my “tapering spreadsheet” and with adding a couple additional weeks at the lower doses I should be making my “jump” the week of 7/24/16 and I can’t tell you how excited I am! However, I have a couple of questions: I am a suboxone “closet user” and need to know if the Withdrawal Ease arrives without any identifying markings on it….and my other question is: After counting out all of the doses I will need from now until my “jump” date in July (plus a couple of rescue doses) I will still have 15 of the 8 mg films left over. The doctor that prescribes for me is over 2 hrs away so for me to return these to him is not really an option (same with the pharmacy that fills them). For obvious reasons, I don’t think I should keep them within easy reach while I go through detox and because I’m doing this on my own I don’t have anyone I can give them to….do you have any suggestions as to how I can dispose of these?

  146. Here it is 3 years later and my doctor doesn’t want to wean me yet. I am so tired of the up n down. It’s 200 a month to see him and then 49 a week for strips. There’s some months I can’t afford him when I’m due. Anyhow here I search AGAIN how to detox (mind you I’m down to 2mg at the point on my own) but I don’t know how to go any further! This is the best blog I have seen. No bullshit straight forward and very detailed. I can not wait to start (week 20-something) thank you again. Thank you for taking the time to help other get out of hell!
    One thing I’ve learned from other sites is the diet, no sugars no process meats- or very little) a lot of water, move around frequently or just plain exercise, plus I’m just learning about the detox symptom pills. All this new info along with your blog I’m quite certain I can do this. I already have my go to “Pharmacist” (my hubs) he can help for sure!
    Thanks again!!

  147. Hi Suzy. Sorry that I had a hard time finding this comment. I sent you an email!

  148. I wish I would have researched how to taper off Suboxone a long while ago; rather than trying to do it cold turkey. The advice given is nice, but the costs of the withdrawal ease is almost as much as I would pay for a weekly supply of Suboxone. How can that be of a help to people in my predicament? You would think that people who have been freed from the power of addiction would want to share it with others as best as possible. I understand that everything has a cost attached to it, but is this product really that expensive to produce?

  149. Brandon Peck says:

    I’ve been on Suboxon since they came out the stop sign N8 Ive been on 3 a day for about 7-8 years the reason I was taking them really because they were making me feel like a normal person again because I abused opiates for a long time and got tired of spending every bit of my money on them but little did I realize I was trading one habit for another because I started abusing them as well and would run out and have to buy off the street, but for the past 22 days I’ve not took any and the withdrawal symptoms mainly consist in the back part of my biceps in the muscle and RLS so my question is how can I detox going from 3 a day to nothing how long can I expect to go through this any comment on what I can do would be appreciated and to end this when you think about it to me withdrawal symptoms off Suboxon is worse than an opiate like (oxycodone) for example i mostly go through it at night the days aren’t bad and bye the way the 1 1/2 hour reading I just did was helpful so thank you and we can all succeed god bless….

  150. Hey Doug. First of all, I’m sure a lot of people want to know where you get your Suboxone so cheap! In all seriousness, thanks for your comments and you bring up a good point. Certainly, our mission is to help people who are going through what I went through. Having said this, Withdrawal Ease is also a business. The profit that I earn from the business us used to support my family. I don’t live in an expensive house or drive a Porsche…I live modestly.

    As you may have read in the “About Us” section, I had a struggle with painkillers and wondered if there was something non-pharmaceutical out there to help with the withdrawal symptoms. With the help of a variety of clinicians, pharmacists and doctors of naturopathic medicine, I was able to develop the two formulations for both Withdrawal Ease and Recovery Ease. I pay a high-end contract manufacturer to produce these unique formulations and package them in an FDA certified facility.

    Like any other business, I have operating costs such as production, shipping, fulfillment, marketing, call center costs and a variety of other incremental costs that I must pay to deliver the finished product to you. At the end of the day, I make a fair margin. When I say a “fair margin” I mean that my profit is consistent with other reputable companies. Again, I’m certainly not making a king’s ransom but I’m making enough to pay for operating expenses and pay myself. It’s not easy…I could probably earn a lot more in the corporate world and with far less stress! I’m not suggesting that I’m saintly; I’m merely telling you the “reality” of Withdrawal Ease. If I were fabulously wealthy, I suppose I could give the product out for free. Unfortunately I’m not.

    Nevertheless, I believe that Withdrawal Ease fills a need for people who are going through opiate detox and would like to take a nutritional supplement that can help. I sell the product to people who wish to purchase it and can afford it. In special circumstances I give product away but again, I need to make a fair margin. I understand that you may think it would be optimal to give it away for free but unfortunately that is not a viable option for me. I believe that we offer a great product, for the right reasons and at a reasonable price.

    I hope that this explanation is one that you can appreciate and find reasonable. Thanks Doug.

  151. MikeOfArk says:

    Problem is withdrawing from Xanax, or any other benzo, is that it lowers your “seizure threshold” making it more likely that you could have a seizure. I’ve been on clonazepam since 2007 (still take 0.5mg bid) However, in 2011 I had a very bad grand mal seizure when the damn shrink tapered me down from 3mg qd to zero in about 3 weeks (waaaaay to quick). Even on 1mg qd I went on a trip in 2013, didn’t take enough with me, had another seizure and died for while. Detoxing from benzo’s IS VERY DANGEROUS AND MUST BE DONE UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF A PHYSICIAN THAT KNOWS WHAT HE/SHE IS DOING!!!!

    I’m on day 17 of withdrawal from Suboxone. Took it for chronic pain at one 8mg/2mg qd since late 2011. I tapered some, but not near long enough. It’s still really bad. All I can do for now is treat symptomatically (immodium, diphenhydramine, Hylands leg cramp pills (it does help with the RLS), and of course my 0.5mg clonazepam morning & night. So far sleep has been fairly good. It’s my awake time that drives me crazy!!! Tried some MJ, but just makes me even more jittery.

  152. Hi Mike. Thanks for the sobering advice about Benzos. It is for that very reason why we do not indicate Withdrawal Ease for benzos. As Mike mentioned, it must be tapered slowly and done properly or there is a risk of seizure. Mike, could keep us in the loop on your progress as far as the Suboxone withdrawal? I’d like to get some sense for when your symptoms start easing.

    Thanks again Mike

  153. NyGeeman44 says:

    George your blog/ website is great. You are doing gods work here.

  154. Clonidine/or TAPER even if it takes longer. This usually doesn’t start and just STOP? LONG term management, not SPRINT?

  155. My son has quit cold turkey from the suboxon and is experiencing throwing up, pain etc. The doctor recently reduced his doseage to 4mg 2 a day. He is depressed and I want to help him but not sure how to. What could happen for him just stopping all together without lower doseage and just going cold turkey?

  156. Hi Beth. I’m sorry that your son is going through this horrible time right now. It is certainly no fun for him OR you. The common practice with respect to a Suboxone detox is to lower the dose slowly over a long period of time (months). His doctor is being aggressive by reducing the dose by half. I generally do not like getting into the habit of questioning a doctor and their treatment decisions so I’ll refrain from that.

    I would however recommend that you ask him if your son should slow the taper down just a bit because -right now- the tapering is not doing any good. Why taper if he is going to experience acute withdrawal symptoms anyways? It seems to me that his doctor’s intent is to try and reduce the impact of your son’s withdrawal symptoms by reducing the dose from 4-2mg but it doesn’t sound like this has been very effective. Perhaps his doctor has other reasons for doing so; I don’t know your son’s history. I suspect that if your son just stopped taking the Suboxone, he would experience the same acute symptoms he is struggling with right now. If that is the case then reducing the dose is only prolonging the detox process. Since Suboxone has a long half-life, the detox will take a couple weeks once he stops. As I mentioned, a gradual taper from Suboxone is typically the best course of action but that assumes that the taper is slow enough to avoid such acute withdrawal symptoms. Normally, I would not suggest jumping from 2mg but that assumes that the taper is being done properly. I’m sorry that I cannot provide a conclusive answer but I think the best bet is to discuss this with his doctor. In the meantime, Immodium AD and -doctor willing- clonidine would be advisable.

  157. Hello George. My name is Rich, 41 year old opiate addict. I really enjoy your blog and wanted to comment in this specific post. I couldn’t agree more about the suboxone/subutex detox vs therapy statement you’ve made.

    I’m currently back on subutex, only day 4,and I’m almost stabilized. I went crazy with the oxycodone recently, and I was snorting 25 pills daily, 30mg each. Thursday was my last night, went to see a great doctor Friday, early afternoon. He put me on subutex, which is a 3 week, tapering plan.

    He started me high, but fortunately I didn’t need as much, and he was very ok with that. He is a well known and respected here in South Florida, Dr. Scanlan.

    He spent a good amount of time with me on Friday, he listened to my concerns, asked me a lot of questions, and also gives his personal cell number for updates and emergencies. I did see him today, this morning, and he spent another chunk of time with me. I can’t believe how amazing this doctor is. He is an addiction himself, although in recovery and has been clean for over a decade.

    Anyway, he is a big supporter of using subutex for detox and will get opiate addicts off of it within a 3 week period.

    Right now, day 4, and I don’t feel too bad. Remember, I was averaging 600mg daily, that’s no lie either. Friday, I took 4mgs of subutex so I could sleep. Saturday I took 24, where he had me topped out at 28. Yesterday was “only” 16, when he had me coming in at 24. Today I’ve only taken 12mg, but he wants me to take 16 and not rush it, so that’s my plan. All things considered, right now I feel great.

    I’ve used suboxone in the past, but for much lower. In the past I uses suboxone correctly and abused it. When I used it correctly, I was stable on 3-4mg daily and tapered down to 1/2mg, but foolishly went back.

    When I abused suboxone, I didn’t know any better, but abused it for a 6 month period. I was taking 2-3 strips daily, and tapered down from 8mg to zero in a week. I suffered for almost 4 months. Complete disaster for 60 days. Never again. That’s why I chose this doctor.

    He also said that I have a paradoxical reaction to opiates, they give me energy. He prescribed me Lexapro as well to reduce my cortisol levels and wants me to have my testosterone checked. Last summer I stopped everything, used kratom for ten days, very low dose, as in 5g daily.

    I suffered again, with no energy for almost 90 days before I gave in. This time, he is going to help me so I don’t have to suffer like that long term. He believes after ten days I should start getting my energy back (after quitting subutex). I have hope for the first time in a long time. I’m definitely a little scared, but I’m not going to let this beat me, again.

    I’m going to order your product for my jump time and also integrate the rooms as well for my support. I just want my life back. Sorry for the long story, I just wanted to point out your excellent post, and share a little.

  158. Hi Rich! Thanks so much for taking the time to explain your circumstances and experience with Subutex. To be honest, I did not know that Subutex was being prescribed that much anymore. It has been steadily phased out and I’m not sure what the specifics are but I’m glad that it has been able to help you along.

    It’s interesting that you were on Suboxone for long enough that you developed a dependency and then went back to oxy after you had such a rough time of it and now you are being detoxed with Subutex. In one of my blogs about Suboxone, I mentioned that people have tried to avoid the prolonged Suboxone detox by literally going back to oxy or percs and then detoxing from those drugs. It sounds like your switch from Suboxone to Oxy and then back to buprenorphine has helped reduce the withdrawal period. Although no doctor in their right mind would recommend doing so, I have often thought about the potential for using full agonist opiates to help people taper from Suboxone! If that’s not irony, I don’t know what is…I’m not suggesting that people should try this but your story is certainly proves that -in theory- it could be useful.

    I’m glad to hear that you’re doing so well and that you have been blessed with such a great doctor. Thanks again for the comments Rich.


  159. George,
    I’ve been on suboxone for roughly 14 years or when it was first released. Unfortunately I’ve had my share of doctors overprescribing & at my worst I’ve taken 24 mgs /day. When I started yr taper process I was taking 12mgs /day. So here I am at 1 mg a day thanks to yr advice & I felt pretty confident the last few months but at the part of dropping your two doses to one has had me in very uncomfortable w/d’s at night. So I’ve been needing my new dose at 3am. My question is, what did I do wrong ? I’ve been taking the one dose for 4 days now & last night was the worse withdrawals yet. Should I go back to two doses? I appreciate any advise.
    Btw, I did order the withdrawal ease & recovery ease. Is it too soon to start taking?

  160. Hi Lauren. You’ve been doing everything right! I think you just need to perhaps make some slight tweaks to your taper schedule. You’ve gone from 24mg down to 1mg which in my book is heroic and demonstrates real commitment as well as discipline. Due to the length of time that you have been taking Suboxone, we might need to take things even slower towards the end. Lets remember that cutting your dose from 24mg to 22mg is a much smaller percentage drop than going from 2mg to 1mg correct? I’m no math wizard whatsoever but we do have to take that into account when we taper. I’m not sure how long you tapered towards the end (i.e. between 2mg and 1mg per se) but perhaps you need to bump your dose up just a little bit and then start dropping down a bit more slowly. You might have better luck with that.

    It does go without saying that eventually, you’ll have to bite the bullet and push through with the detox. It will not be fun (no detox is) but the last thing I’d want you to do is prolong your discomfort if you have reached the point where you can no longer reduce your dose without having some withdrawals. Everyone has a point where they can no longer drop and perhaps this is your drop-off point. I’m not sure. I certainly think it would be a good idea to start the Withdrawal Ease and see how that helps you. Ultimately, you have to choose between ripping that bandaid off (knowing that you’ve done a very good job with the taper and ultimately saving yourself a lot of discomfort) OR trying to taper down a bit further albeit at a slower pace.

  161. Ty so much for the info you have provided…im starting my detox now so I believe that this will help.Im really scared as I’m sure a lot of us are.I do have very good family support which I believe is one of the best things as well as a blessing.again ty .I know I can do it,we all can

  162. Does the withdrawal come and go I’m on day 13 and was just feeling great on day 11 now I feel like crap again

  163. I’m not sure about the dosages but say one strip is 8 milligrams. I cut the 4 pieces the cute those pieces in half so I have 8 pieces. So I believe I technically take 1mg every day but still cannot quit. I know its the depression that comes with it and the fact I have a fast paced job that I have to obtain to pay my bills. But I have never wanted off anything more in my life. I’ve been on this for over a year and I hate it!!!! Please help me in doing this all on my own and I can’t do it any more I’m better then this and I just can’t seem to progress with my life with this on my mind everyday.

  164. George,my husband has been off suboxone about 18 days,went cold turkey. Huge improvements but still has insomnia and some depression.would he be able to start taking withdrawal-ease at this point or does someone have to start taking it at the starting point of getting off suboxone?thx

  165. Hi George ,
    Thank you for your encouraging words several months back. It took me a total of 9 months but I finally weaned myself down enough where I was comfortable to jump. Which was at 1/4 mg a day. You were right, I had to slow my taper down to b comfortable through it.
    It amazes me how the fear of withdrawal was worse than my actual withdrawal symptoms doing it this way. Other than body aches & severe fatigue I can’t really complain.
    I hope your advise on how to taper gets to as many people as possible with this disease. If I could beat my 20 year addiction (including time on opiates & suboxone) anyone can. Looking back now I can’t believe a surgery & need for pain meds started this downward spiral.
    I can’t thank you enough. You are a life saver George,
    Sincerely, Lauren

  166. Are u kidding ? This is some of the most blatant I like to talk to much think way to much of myself BS.. Follow this you extend your detox and withdrawals so far it’s crazy! Let me tell you in month 2 of 0 sub still in full detox .. Also having detoxed from every Opiate and sub branch I CAN tell you that it is a completely different detox, I can also call on 10 people I know who recently went threw it and have said same about it to me .. Not because of length, I’ve detoxed off a 4 year 175 mg methadone addiction prior to subs the most intense of the detoxs and longest lasting up to 18 months. Check.
    This detox is on a different level. No not to cause fear of it I have done this at home myself and its a fight but can be done. But you need to prep mentally that’s one of the biggest differences I can kind of put to words .. The mental WD is something like I’ve never experienced, and yes there is always that side but put it like this reg opiate WD is like that crazy uncle sub WD is like jekyll and hyde.. I’m just saying as the author said stay of the boards… Is say go to as many places as you can find people that are going though it and talking or been through it and sharing everyone is different so we all have a different WD.. But if you look around enough you can find natural herbs (all legal in all states) and tips that if not fix it make it easier to get though and also how to cut the wd and paws. So .. No offense but maybe you need to talk to some new people cause ever one I know and know of disagrees with a lot of what you said. Of course that’s just us addicts over here y’all can think feel say what you like .. Its America..

  167. Ok then. I appreciate your contribution. I honestly had a hard time reading your writing but I think I got the jist of it. IF you think my writing style is too egotistical and you disagree with my assessment then go ahead and write your own blog. Seriously, if you want to help people and give them the answers that I allegedly don’t have then take the time to do something for others instead of whining about your own predicament. “That’s just us addicts over here” Bullshit…just because you’re an addict doesn’t make you an expert in anything other than your own experiences with the drug.

    Oh and by the way…starting a sentence with “No offense, BUT” drives me nuts…of course you mean to offend because you are saying offensive things. But I can handle it and I’ve been called worse. Man up and just say what you mean ok?